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MessageSujet: MONA LISA EBE   Jeu 23 Déc 2010 - 18:39

MONA LISA EBE







Alors, cette histoire, je ne sais pas du tout quoi en penser. Elle provient de Luca SCANTAMBURLO, un journaliste italien qui enquête notamment sur la Planète X/Nibiru.
étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t245-confessions-d-un-agent-secret-du-vatican


Il dit avoir été contacté au téléphone par un ancien astronaute, se faisant appeler William Rutledge, qui prétend avoir pris part à des expéditions lunaires secrètes après la fin des missions officielles sur la lune.
Ces missions se seraient appelées Appollo 19 et Appolo 20.

Cet individu dit également avoir pris des films de pendant ces missions, films qu'il a ensuite diffusés via le net.
On y voit un gigantesque vaisseau E.T. et, à l'intérieur, une femme "en animation suspendue".
Beaucoup de ceux qui ont visionné ces films ont dénoncé une imposture, d'autres disent que les films originaux ont été remplacés par des fake pour ridiculiser les affirmations de ce témoin,... bref, impossible de savoir ce qu'il en est vraiment.

Personellement, le visage de cette "Mona Misa" me trouble, j'ignore pourquoi.
Et, entre temps, j'ai relu ces propos de Duncan O'Finioan cités sur le topic "ANNUNAKIS SUR LA LUNE ET SUR MARS ?", dont:

Kerry: Avez-vous vu une certaine race d'êtres là?

Duncan: Oui. Ils sont en stase.

Bill Ryan: Comme une sorte d'hibernation induite artificiellement?

Duncan: Oui. Merci.

Kerry: Ce ne sont pas des humains, dans cet état?

Duncan: Non.


Comme je l'ai déjà écrit plusieurs fois ici, au fur et à mesure de mes recherches, je suis devenue de plus en plus persuadée que le plus incroyable n'est pas obligatoirement le plus improbable.

Je vous laisse donc juger vous-même.














AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON: INTERVIEW WITH
WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, MEMBER OF THE APOLLO 20 CREW






FOREWORD FOR THE READERS

In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now in Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical mistakes that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I was not able to understand his words, I put some dots between square brackets.
W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that he’s always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with the footages. Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the foreword to the following interview:
« I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy writing the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used, but that’s a detail…>>




1) Luca Scantamburlo: First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons.
What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes… Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote “maicroscope” instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land…


William Rutledge: I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony.

2) L.S. How long have you been living in Rwanda and why did you move overthere?

W.R. It 's a woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching for somebody like one person who shared my life before. Personally speaking, I have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz Aldrin was also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in a walk after martin Luther King's death, it’s not a well known story). I established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990, streets have no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till 1994, war pushed me to the north west of the country, near the Congo Kinshasa frontier. Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my friends do.

3) L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you study?

W.R. I've written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just consider that USAF uses every person who can bring skills, white, black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA, all astronauts were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.

4) L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ‘70s?

W.R. NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using computer navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project. USAF recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I was one of the rare pilot who didn't believe in God (it has changed since 1990) but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of the NASA astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference. That's all.

5) L.S. Can you prove who you are with some photos or documents of yours, taken during the training by NASA or even before, during your work at the Bell Laboratories? Can you send them to me as attachments, for a publication?

W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.

6) L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose these information about classified space missions and is there anybody who is protecting you?

W.R. It's the announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and 2012 is coming fast. I also think that UFOs will appear more often starting from September 2007. A lot of people died around me in Rwanda, and I have more time to take care of this. About protection, please understand it's hard to speak of my armoury.

7) L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in August 1976 according to the information you have provided, what did you do and when did you leave the U.S.A. ?

W.R. After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.

8) L.S. In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the “Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut, Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and if the answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he could do or tell?

W.R. Leonov is not aware of all this, I cannot contact him, contacts were completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament. Cant' imagine his reaction. If he discovers the videos without preparation, he can confirm or leave at once. If he is warned, and prepared, he can deny.

9) L.S. A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship footage”: did you make them or did somebody else make them? There are some mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the capital letter, not “i” as there is written). What about the original dialogues? Were there in the footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the transfer?

W.R. Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I have to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda in July. I asked to put the flyover very quickly, they made the subtitles in one hour, buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is not at the right place, there are mistakes but is does not shock me. The Apollo 11 mention at the beginning of the film surprised me, it is on the original film, one internaut signaled that to me. The films are not the first generation, some of them were copied in 1982 I'm sure of this, some have a blue background from the end of the 70's.

10) L.S. There are in the dialogues between the astronauts and the Mission Control, some expressions that I do not understand: for instance, “CSM”, “DSKY” and “Vandenberg Twenty”. I could think that “DSKY” is about the position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater) and that the “Vandenberg Twenty” is about the Mission Control, located by the Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you explain them?

W.R. CSM is Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telescope ( […] on the LM).

In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows, hours on the first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then in every movie we put the date on the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if I remember.

Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.

The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty" a call from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom- Twenty or sometimes EEcom- Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo 19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module name.


11) L.S. I would like to know something more about the preparation of the “Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched and how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you do some names?

W.R. 300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch video says this launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available information, somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians had the first information since 1966, I don't know what was their source.

12) L.S. Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to “Apollo 20”?

W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and Valentin Alexeiev for Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer. Capcom were Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.

13) L.S. Tell me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19” missions; specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me about your ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in Space” according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official space history does not include her as astronaut…

W.R. Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands " mission in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before. It was ok, but… in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light was used till ascent.

Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that it was a natural phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite ", like Cruithne, or a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal was the same, the landing site was the same, the exploration program was different, they had a big job to do with the rover, exploring the roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll have to put a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listes, I discovered since may that many people find many William Rultledge in NASA. I can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance Vought, on the consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was involved in fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in common with the Bogdanoff scientists).

Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived in America at the age of 7 months. She was a LM specialist, she worked with Grumman Bethpage for new implementations on the navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was officially destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the Luminary program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious problems with docking and rendez-vous. Her technical knowledge was as deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I have some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll not show the other members of the crew.

Russian collaborations; I don't know how, but Russian were informed of the presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps, precise charts of this area. The center of decision was located in the Ural, in the town of Sverdlovsk. The chief of the program was professor Valentin Alekseiev, who became later president of the academy of science in Ural. Leonov was chosen because of his popularity in the communist leading staff, and secondary only because he was on Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin Alekseiev in Ural, Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the spaceship made of malachite with incrustations of gold on his desk.

I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this "the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.


14) L.S. Is there anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can confirm your story? And are you not afraid that somebody can threaten your friends or relatives?

W.R. In USA, honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a strange way I think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun also I think. James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and communicates and support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin Alekseiev, and Alexei Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of this but his health is a problem.

About security, no problem as far I live in Rwanda, I only have problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to Rwanda in 1990, and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the worst years of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie community and Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William Rutledge and American citizen, I have a whole new life).

I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with original dust.


15) L.S. What did you know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in 1992 to the MUFON?

W.R. I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?

16) L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the City” on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?

W.R. We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.

17) L.S. Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the City” and “the Ship” still there?

W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact(we named it the Cathedral). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater.

18) L.S. What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name is “Monna Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?

W.R. Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after.

19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?

W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship...

20-21) L.S. Can you give me the technical details for every material you disclosed on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the tv transmissions from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers? I would need to know the details of shooting for every video you spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers visibile on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over the frames, in the flyover of the Moon?

W.R. I have answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA astronaut. The transfer was in made in Rwanda, […] with codec and sound recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles are not genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to remove the voices sometimes to protect one person from mission control.

We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA, it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this) but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color wheel who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the earth. I think it could be possible for a company to restore a good TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and produced stable pictures, sharp because focusig was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates I've transmitted during the flyover video. The Flyover video was made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing. During program 64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the target minutes before landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I got a flame by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have an idea of my precise position during this sequence.


22) L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the mission?

W.R. About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was charged to maintain security around a container. A building had to be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The nuclear power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the container was plenty of interest things during some days. As human is naturally curious, people charged of security went inside… My friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers… He contacted me for selling the unsued paper, and that’s how I discovered the other things. I’ve already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue, old RC photographies, I watched the tapes , it was not a business affair, I put them in security, the only important thing for me were the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.

23) L.S. Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?

W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no bodies or alien craft I think.

24) L.S. You mentioned in a former letter C. M. and M. Who are they?

W.R. C. M. is the website officer on Oceans NASA site [http://oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov]; M. also. A. M. is 508 Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center for the moment. There is a moment of panic I think since May 18. Check 508 coordinator NASA on a search engine. Statement 508 is the way of pushing NASA to declassify material. I expected a reaction.

Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why they block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them. If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I never go on a NASA site.

Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a decision from the headquarters.

Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement:

http://www.section508.nasa.gov/




25-26) L.S. Aren’t you afraid of the U.S. Government’s reaction and why did you talk about the date of September 2007, when NASA and USAF (according to you) “will be forced to tell the whole story before September 2007” What does it mean and Who is your “deep throat”? In another recent your communication to me, you talked about the “2012” year. You said: “In 2012, the weakers will die, and governments preserve the only bit of their heritage […] everybody has to be prepared for 2012”. Is there any connection with the “Planet X” return (the ancient Nibiru, adored by the Sumerians in Mesopotamia) ? What did you know about it?

W.R. I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a race.

That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable related to the official version .


W.R. I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.

There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.

That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.




© Luca Scantamburlo
May 25, 2007

Updating of images and captions: October 2008.

Reprints only on the Web permitted on condition that the copyright notice is included:
© L. Scantamburlo - www.angelismarriti.it
Reproduced by permission.

For reprinting this article-interview on magazines and newspapers, ask the permission to Luca Scantamburlo.






source:
petit gris http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm












Cet individu qui a contacté Luca Scantamburlo pour lui relater les découvertes lors des missions secrètes Appollo 19 et 20 avait ouvert un compte sur Youtube pour y diffuser les films qu'il avait pris à l'époque des faits. Mais il dit avoir dû laisser tomber ce compte pour en créer un ailleurs, suite à de nombreux déboires.
Lire sous son profil: petit gris http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb
Et regarder sa vidéo:






Nous pouvons trouver ses 12 vidéos sur son compte: petit gris http://www.revver.com/u/retiredafb/
Je n'arrive pas à les visionner avec IE (ça me montre un blanc à la place de la vidéo), mais avec google chrome, ça fonctionne.

Je poste donc quelques copies diffusées sur youtube afin que tout le monde puisse les visionner.
















Alors, hoax, ou images véridiques éventuellement bidouillées pour faire croire à des fake ?

Les commentaires sont partagés et certains hurlent au fake en disant en donner les preuves. Impossible pour moi de confirmer ou réfuter leurs affirmations, je ne suis pas spécialiste en trucages photo/vidéo pour me permettre de trancher.
Luca Scantamburlo aurait été imprudent au point de risquer de discréditer tout son travail antérieur en transmettant les propos de ce "William Rutledge" et en parlant de ces vidéos, sans aucune précaution ni vérification ?

Bien sûr que non !!! Voici ses recherches:



A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?

William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.

The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970. But the presumed footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (available on YouTube as the so-called preflight study for Apollo 20). And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250). According to the YouTube file-card on William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots, « Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier). »

There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge’s memories that you can find in reading this interview. It could be comprehensible if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is trying to recall historical facts and events of his life. So, I am not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the assault to the Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994 when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 (« […] I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament » by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).
I verified it later on an encyclopaedia, but I could not answer before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the beginning of the '90s.

On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the “feldspathoid”, a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, Könemann, 1993, pag. 835).

So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge’s testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak. I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.

The official NASA photos are available on the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community”: the links to find the pictures (the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas) are the following:

petit gris http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625

petit gris http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630

Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by William Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic picture?).

A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them.

The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the ‘70s and the first ‘80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:

« […] i punti luce sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte le caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di tipo VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale video all'interno del tubo. […] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un sistema di ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu (www.hamamatsu.com) realizza telecamere VIDICON all'infrarosso. »

In English it means:

« […] the overexposed light points and the relative trail show all the features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube. The ‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside the tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system, today the Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com) makes infrared VIDICON cameras. »

And, as a matter of fact, among the several different varieties of photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was a Westinghouse color TV camera, which could used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo 20, taken place in 1976 according to William Rutledge.

(source: petit gris http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo17/A17_Photography_cameras.html.)

In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.


© Luca Scantamburlo
May 25, 2007



UPDATING
I decided it is better avoiding to name the people who work for NASA now and mentioned by W. Rutledge in the answer nr.24, because it is necessary, in spite of his amazing video footages and his detailed report, waiting for further evidences about this amazing story, which is showing some contradictory aspects. As fact, in spite of their names are true and in public domain as Governmental employees, so far they are not known as historical leading characters, and there is no proof of a previous contact with W. Rutledge - But the things could change...
Let's see what happens.
L.S.
June 30, 2007




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THE "APOLLO 20": AN AMERICAN-SOVIET CLASSIFIED MISSION
FOR AN ABANDONED ALIEN SHIP ON THE MOON?





A recent controversial footage of about 6 minutes (which seems a digital transfer from a film, and that we can call the “Apollo 20 footage”) released on YouTube is causing amazement inside the ufological public on the Web, all around the world. The footage would be the presumed shooting realized during a NASA classified mission, in the ‘70s: the “Apollo 20” mission or, as it is suggested by the subtitles of the dialogues between the crew and the Mission Control, the “Vandenberg 20”. I remember to everybody that the last official landing mission on the Moon was the “Apollo 17” (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and that the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in 1970. For sure, if the footage is not a hoax or a fake, the purpose of that mission would have been to shoot close to a mysterious object for understanding its origin. And, maybe, to organize a secret retrieval if possibile.

But the presumed footage of “Apollo 20” is not the only material which came out in the last days: it was also released by someone a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (available on YouTube a socalled preflight study for Apollo 20). And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250).

Regarding the video, as introduction we have a sort of marking (with the presumed logo of the mission) and, as result of a former recording on the tape, just a second of another marking about a video of the Apollo 11 Mission. So, if the first seconds seem not to be reliable but strongly contradictory, the following part of the video looks like interesting, well done and cohering with an old space hand-made shooting during a flyover of the Moon. Anyway, the video is an editing of at least two scenes, both of them apparently taken flying over the surface of the Moon.

According to the file-card of the YouTube user (“retiredafb”) who uploaded the controversial footages and shots (a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda), « Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier). »

But the most interesting information are about the presumed alien ship:

« […] the ship were very old, age has been estimated 1.5 billion of years. Meteorit impacts, and dust/hills coverings testified that. Note that the ship has already been explored before the first human expedition reached the lunar singularity. »

Is this man an American or Soviet former technician, who worked as insider during the 70s on Space classified missions and that now lives in Africa? Even the “Apollo 20 the legacy part 1 The City” is a very interesting and evocative footage. There is also the presumed lift off of the Apollo 20.

I am not a photographer; neither an expert of special effects nor an informatics technician. So I am not in the position to say something about the features of the footage. But what it is very interesting is that there is really a strange object on the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; we can argue this because the unidentified object casts a shadow on the surface. And the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak. I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.

The official NASA photos are available by the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a «research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community»: the links to find the pictures (the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas) are the following:

The pictures were taken in 1971 by Apollo 15, during the revolution number 38, from an altitude of 117 km. The two original photos have both the following features: Image Width: 45.24 inch - Image Height: 4.5 inch; Film Color: black & white. If you pay attention to the center, move a little bit to the right and zoom the picture, you can see the mysterious object.

Now we can ask ourself: do NASA classified missions really exist? Or did they exist in the past? The answer could be yes. First of all there are two sites for the launches of the Space Shuttles and of the spacecrafts generally: one is the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, and the other one is the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in California.

Moreover there are several witnesses and references: one given by Clark McClelland (ex NASA engineer) and another one given by Robert M. Collins, former USAF Captain. In Itay, for instance, I have found a very significant assertion made by two Italian university professors: Luigi Balis Crema and Antonio Castellani, both of them teachers at “La Sapienza” Rome University, Faculty of Engineering. At page 71 of their brilliant essay “L’esplorazione dello spazio”, which means “The Space Exploration” and published in Italy in 1997 (Newton & Compton Publisher), they write:

« Infine nell’ultimo volo dell’anno il Discovery, con un equipaggio interamente militare, compie l’ultima missione “segreta” per conto del ministero della difesa USA ponendo in orbita un satellite “spia” di grandi dimensioni che riceve anche dei segnali laser da terra. ».

In the Italian text there is written that, regarding the 1992 year, the Shuttle Discovery made at the end of the year the «last “secret” mission» for the DOD, with a «military crew».

About the two NASA pictures, authentic and showing the strange object, I made a short analysis using the Gimp software (version 2.2.10): my purpose was trying to give prominence to the edges of the huge object leant on the Moon surface.

Apart from this controversial footage, it is undeniable that on that occasion in 1971, the Apollo 15 took pictures that showed a strange and cigar-shaped object, whatever it is. Somebody could object that a metallic artificial structure should appear different compared with a rocky surface. This is not the case, but the reflection of light on an ancient structure, maybe covered by dust raised in the past by impacts with asteroids and meteors, could be similar to that one of a rocky surface. Even if it is a strange huge piece of rock leant by a crater, on the backside of the Moon there are anyway many strange objects.

Karl Wolfe, retired Sergeant with a top secret crypto clearance for the US Air Force (at Langley AFB in Virginia), witnessed about them during the NPC press conference occured in May 9, 2001, at Washington D.C.; the press conference was organized by dr. Steven Greer (Director of the Disclosure Project).

In spite of he perhaps made a small mistake in recalling the exact year in which he faced Lunar Orbiter photos (the first Lunar Orbiter was launched in 1966, and Karl Wolfe talked about the year 1965; it is not possible; the last one, the 5th , was launched in 1967), Karl Wolfe spoke out in front of the journalists that an Airman Second Class told him at that time, by a photo laboratory at Langley: « By the way, we've discovered a base on the backside of the Moon ».

After that, he showed to Wolfe photos taken by one of the Lunar Orbiter mission in which, according to Wolfe, there were structures half a mile in size. Some of them were buildings very tall, like towers; others were spherical and domed buildings, very large.
If somebody is skeptical and does not believe him, I suggest you to watch the outstanding documentary directed by Jose Escamilla: «UFO. The Greatest Story Ever Denied» You will see some photos taken by the Clementine Mission, in which it is clear that some features were airsbrushed by NASA.


L. Scantamburlo
May 17, 2007



UPDATING: ALIEN SPACESHIP'S COORDINATES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON

I've done a mistake in providing the Moon region coordinates of the cigar-shaped object: according to the dialogues between the Apollo 20 crew from the LM-15 and the Vandenberg AFB, the exact coordinates of the presumed alien spaceship on the backside of the Moon would be the following: Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E; Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E; see the subtitles of the «ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20», video footage posted on YouTube on May 4, 2007, by William Rutledge (user name: retiredafb).


L. Scantamburlo
June 14, 2007




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NEW EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY WILLIAM RUTLEDGE,
CDR OF THE APOLLO 20 CREW





A few weeks ago I interviewed a man by the name of William Rutledge, who has been claiming his identity: he would have been an astronaut during the ‘70s, employed by the USAF in collaboration with NASA during a secret Space mission. My interview was carried out by my YouTube Account/General Messages. William Rutledge registered himself on YouTube as a man of 76 years old (YouTube user: “retiredafb”), who now lives in Rwanda. He told me he is an American citizen, now civilian, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed by USAF as test pilot on various aircrafts.

According to his report supported by some outstanding videos uploaded on YouTube since April 2007, after the Apollo 17 (December 1972) and the “Apollo18-Soyuz” mission taken place in July 1975, there were other two missions on the Moon: the Apollo 19 (failed because of « a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data », see the interview with W.Rutledge) and the Apollo 20 (August 1976), which were both classifed Space missions launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base (California).

Officially many Apollo missions were canceled by NASA during the Project Apollo, included the Apollo 20 (canceled in 1970).

The goal of these two presumed secret joint space mission, result of an American-Soviet collaboration, was to reach the backside of the Moon (the Delporte-Izsak region, close to the well-known Tsiolkovsky crater) and to explore a huge object found out during the Apollo 15 mission. What the Apollo 20 crew found, it was a huge and ancient alien spaceship, « approximately 4 kilometers long » (W. Rutledge).

And as a matter of fact, some official NASA pictures archived by the LPI (The Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston), which is “a research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community” ( petit gris www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/about.shtml), show a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon. LPI is “is managed by the Universities Space Research Association (USRA)”.

Here you are some of the details of those NASA pictures which show that cigar-shaped object:

Regarding the video entitled “ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20”, on YouTube since May 4, 2007, as introduction we have a sort of marking with the presumed mission patch, which contains an interesting Latin inscription: <<Carpent tua poma nepotes ». I realized later reading an essay of Latin quotations and sayings, that the Latin inscription on the presumed patch of the classified mission is from Virgilio’s Bucoliche (IX, 50).
On the presumed patch we have the names of the crew as well: «Rutledge Snyder Leonov», which is a typical NASA habit.




A COUPLE OF THE FOOTAGES ARE POLLUTED WITH APOLLO 11 RECORDINGS


But on the video of the flyover of the Lunar Module LM-15 (I checked on some Space history abstracts: the name of the spacecraft is coherent with the historical succession, because the Lunar Module Number begins from Apollo 5, with the LM-1, and for example for the Apollo 11 mission the name of the Lunar Module is LM-5; for some reasons not always the progressive number of the LMs is in accordance with the Apollo mission number), we have just a second of another marking about a video of the former Apollo 11 Mission.

The presence of an intrusive frame in the footage it would seem to be a contradiction, but perhaps it is just a result of a probable former recording on the film. According to William Rutledge (see my interview already mentioned), the first time he had to do with the footages was 15 years ago, because somebody he knew, charged to maintain security around a container, contacted him and told him what he found out inside (some «archives had to be burn by a plasma torch»).

I found another contradiction, which seems a sort of video pollution: the written comment by Rutledge about the video posted on April 9 and entitled “APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff of Apollo 20 saturne 5”, says: « Lift off of Apollo 20 saturn 5 from Vandenberg AFB august 16 1976. Note the marks on the rocket, different than the previous apollo launches. »

But the codec audio on YouTube is from the Apollo 11 mission. I’m sure about it, because I have carefully compared the video on YouTube with an official NASA video of the Apollo 11 lift-off. Rutledge, contacted by me about it, has confirmed the probable mixing. And it could be possibile, if you consider that some of his friends in Rwanda are helping him in the transfer from the analogical films to the digital, and William Rutledge told me now he’s not in Africa. So, if his friends have not a very good knowledge of the subject and of the Space history, they could make mistakes in assembling the codecs video with the codecs audio.

For the rest the Rutledge’s report is enough coherent and plausible, and it shows a detailed knowledge of Aerospace history, of Geology, Chemistry and of Space exploration history, using specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the “feldspathoid”, a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).




HISTORICAL EVIDENCE SEEM TO CORROBORATE THE AMAZING STORY OF THE APOLLO 20


1) THE ROCKWELL CORP. LOGO ON THE OVERALLS


On June 18 2007 William Rutledge (with the help of his friends in Rwanda) uploaded on YouTube new evidence which seem to corroborate his amazing story: the APOLLO 20 TEST Launch pad, the APOLLO 20 Test EVA 1 and the APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress.

For the last video here mentioned, W. Rutledge wrote the following text as comment: « Test Cinepak radius compressor. Rutledge and L. Marietta Snyder ingress ».

In the video you can see some technicians by a presumed launching pad for astronauts. In the footage (a capsule Ingress test?) they’re helping two astronauts (who would be William Rutledge and Leona Marietta Snyder, former Bell Laboratories), who wear their space suits, to enter into a presumed spacecraft by a launching pad. The footage seems to be the editing of three different moments, in front of the entrance.
petit gris www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMZU9XHSrU

The important point is that on the back of the technician’s overalls, you can see what it seems the Rockwell corporation logo. Moreover, one of them has on the back the NASA logo. If you give a look to the Boeing’s official website, you can find the following statement:
<< […] “North American Rockwell designed and built the Saturn V second stage and the command and service modules. »
source: petit gris www.boeing.com/history/bna/apollo.htm

Moreover, besides to be the manufacturer of spacecrafts, that company (the Rockwell) planned and developed several military aircrafts. You can find more information on Wikipedia: « […] North American was responsible for the famous WWII P-51 Mustang fighter and Korean War-era F-86 Sabre, as well as the Apollo spacecraft. »
source: petit gris en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_International

Since the 1973 the name of the corporation changed: the North American Rockwell Corporation became the Rockwell International Corporation. W. Rockwell died in 1978, and since that time the corporation began a series of spin-offs. What remains of the company is the Rockwell Collins (COL) and the Rockwell Automation (ROK). The Rockwell International no longer exists.




2) IN THE LAST RUTLEDGE’S FOOTAGE, THE CAPSUL INSIDE LOOKS LIKE AN APOLLO SPACECRAFT


The last video uploaded on YouTube by William Rutledge (retiredafb) on June 24, 2007, is really amazing: «APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER».

In the comment he wrote: « CSM 16mm footage through the AGC lens... CSM 16mm footage through the AGC lens, made by Leona Snyder […]. Camera is fixed on the eyepiece of the telescope, less dropouts or moves than the Tv feed from the LM. Frame transfer is not perfect,speed is faster than actual, 4 different speeds were used on the 16 mm camera. »

Apart from the evocative 16mm footage by Leona M. Snyder in which you can see the details of the presumed abandoned alien spaceship on the far side of the Moon, during the flyover of the Apollo 20 CSM, in my opinion the decisive frames from the historical point of view are the first. At the beginning of the footage, in fact, you can see the Spacecraft controls and instruments. If you compare them, for example, with the 35mm photos available from the Apollo 17 Image Library of the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, you will recognize almost every part of the capsule inside.
source: petit gris www.ehartwell.com/Apollo17/AS17-35mm.htm).

Moreover, instead of the American flag, you have the union of the American with the Soviet flag, over the Apollo 20 patch. It does make sense using the same technology to go to the Moon, already tested with success, if you think that Apollo 17 mission took place at the end of 1972, as the presumed Apollo 20 in August 1976. And just the year before there was the well-known Apollo-Soyuz mission: « […] Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands " mission in 1975 » (from the interview with W. Rutledge).

Waiting for the rest of the Rutledge’s testimony, we should prepare ourself for the wait and new Copernican revolution: we are not alone in the Universe and, at last, historical and technical evidence are supporting it beyond any doubt.

What we need is an official declaration from Authorities. Perhaps, the American Code of Federal Regulations and the Public Law 91-76 created by U.S. Congress could help us to find the truth (see: petit gris history.nasa.gov/spacemedal2.pdf), together with a formal recommendation/petition to the NASA Administrator, to give a right recognition to the Apollo 19-20 crews.
It would be a good thing to disclose and spread the truth about the reality of the extraterrestrial intelligence in the Universe through an unknown historical fact in which the two great powers of the World of the past (the USA and the USSR) joined together for scientific and peaceful activities, in spite of all their differences and political hostilities.

As pointed out by William Rutledge in one of his comments on YouTube: « […] the apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage ».

Virgilio wrote: « Carpent tua poma nepotes ». The Apollo 20 patch quotes it. Maybe we are those grandchildren…


© L. Scantamburlo
June 26, 2007



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LUNAR COORDINATES OF THE ALIEN SPACESHIP
AND FEATURE OF THE FERMI WALLED PLANE





THE LM-15 FLYOVER SPREAD BY W. RUTLEDGE SHOWS ALMOST CERTAINLY THE FERMI WALLED PLANE, CLOSE TO THE IZSAK CRATER.




THE LM-15 FLYOVER AND THE FAR SIDE OF THE MOON

What can we understand about the astonishing footage of the presumed LM-15 flyover before descent on "Izsak D", spread on YouTube by William Rutledge on May 4, 2007? Is there any congruence between the visible details shown in the video footage and any lunar map of the far side of the Moon? For example, are recognizable the Fermi's details, or is recognizable any particular belonging to the lunar zone of the backside of the Moon, near the Izsak crater? In the comment posted by W. Rutledge ("retiredafb") on YouTube, we can read:
« [...] LM passes over Tsiolkovski, Fermi, Delporte and Lukte before passing on the Izsak Y crater. [...] CDR communicates the South -East coordinates of the major parts of the spaceship, approximately 4 kilometers long. »

A friend of mine from New York City pointed out months ago that, first of all, it would be a good result understanding if the LM-15 flyover really took place on the far side of the Moon, and moreover if there is any other video footage from NASA space missions which shows those surface details of the Moon.

What I have found is that there are some congruences if we compare the details shown in the frames of the LM-15 flyover footage, with an official lunar map available on the Lunar and Planetary Institute: the i_136_m.jpg picture which shows clearly the lunar details mentioned by William Rutledge: we have the Tsiolkovsky crater, the Lutke crater, and we can see the Delporte and the Izsak craters. Of course, it is visible also the large lunar crater by the name of Fermi, close to all the others and which belongs to the category named a walled plain.




SOME FEATURES OF THE FERMI WALLED PLANE SEEM
RECOGNIZABLE IN THE PRESUMED LM-15 FLYOVER

The Fermi walled plane has a diameter of about 183 km. During the presumed LM-15 flyover, the CDR (Commander) of the crew « [...] communicates the South -East coordinates of the major parts of the spaceship, approximately 4 kilometers long. Color distortions are caused by the rotating wheel inside the Westinghouse Color TV Camera. »
What I asked to myself was if the there were something of recognizable. I watched very carefully the video footage entitled «ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20». The video footage lasts 5 minutes and 53 seconds. At a certain point I could recognize what, in my opinion, is the western border of the Fermi crater (a walled plane). It seems that the direction of the LM-15 is from Northeast to Southwest. As a matter of fact, when you watch the footage you should recognize the details of the western Fermi rocky border, high on the left of the screen, approximately after 2 minutes and 30 seconds from the beginning. The subititles of the footage which would be the radio communications between the Vandenberg AFB and the LM-15, say:
« [...] Izsak is visible on the upper left side of the window [...] », a statement from the astronauts which is coherent with their position, with their route and with the features of the lunar surface visible during the flyover.

In a former point of the footage in the subtitles of the dialogues among the CDR and the Vandenberg AFB, we can read: « We passed over Tsiolkovsky, and we are over Fermi now [...] ».
Again, it is a statement coherent with the fact that the two astronauts inside the LM-15 (W. Rutledge and A. Leonov) should be able to see on the lunar horizon the Izsak crater, on the upper left side of the window of their spacecraft. Now we can pay attention to the frames of the video footage. So, it is enough to take a couple of snapshots of the video footage, and rotating of 90° to the left. You will have, for example, the following frame: ILL.3.

First of all, with a free software (the Gimp software, version 2.2.10) we can delete the information of the colours; we can get the following image: ILL.4.

And then we can change the brightness contrast of the picture.

Now, we can compare our little work with a detail of thei_136_m.jpg (changed in contrast), from the Lunar and Planetary Institute:



Detail of the
i-:136_m.jpg
Courtesy NASA/LPI
Same detail but
changed in contrast




The rotated frame from the footage of the LM-15


Even if the lunar zone is the same, because the shot equipment is different as well the date, the Sun position, the altitude of the spacecracft from which the shot was taken, it is obvious that we cannot have the same image results.
But it is very interesting that we can still recognize some paths in both pictures. So, almost certainly, we can say that at least the first minutes of the flyover are a really flyover of the backside of the Moon, over the Fermi walled plane and just close to the Izsak crater.

If you can consult the excellent photographic book Full Moon by Michael Light (© 1999 Jonathan Cape, Random House, London, © 1999 Michael Light), you can find a very important essay on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin (1950).
Dr. Andrew Chaikin was a former JPL scientist and he is author of the important book A Man on the Moon (1994). Chaikin in his essay talks about the astronaut's descriptions of the lunar surface, giving prominence to the fact that the lunar surface colours change very much under different conditions of light.




LUNAR COORDINATES OF THE ALIEN SPACESHIP ARE
CONSISTENT WITH THE POSITION OF THE STRANGE
OBJECT VISIBLE IN OFFICIAL NASA PICTURES

William Rutledge revealed that one target of the mission was landing by "Izsak D". I could not find any reference to that presumed particular Moon structure mentioned by him. I can suppose it is a Moon detail very close to the Izsak crater, and named like that by some space specialists involved in classified missions. But what about the the South -East coordinates of the major parts of the spaceship? Can we get any information from the coordinates provided by William Rutledge, Apollo 20 CDR?
The subtitles of the footage report the following data about the spaceship position: for the spaceship nose we have 17.3 deg S and 117.62 deg E, and for the spaceship cockpit we have 17.25 deg S and 117.62 deg E. So, it means that the presumed alien spacecraft is leant by the North-South axis, because what changes is the lunar latitude, while the lunar longitude of the two parts of the spaceship does not change. Moreover, the data tell us that the nose should be to the North of the cockpit.

Now we can search for if there is any congruence among those data and the real position of the strange object visible on the official pictures taken by Apollo 15 and Apollo 17; strange and huge object that would be, according the story by W. Rutledge, an ancient and abandoned alien spaceship on the Moon. According to the index of the lunar charts of the The Atlas of the Universe (© 1970-1981, Mitchell Beazley Ltd London, Italian edition Cosmo, Istituto Geografico De Agostini, 1985) the Izsak crater has the following coordinatese: latitude -23 Deg, longitude + 117 Deg, where the sign + means North, and the sign - means South.




THE ALIEN SPACECRAFT'S POSITION REGARDS AS THE IZSAK CRATER AND "IZSAK D"

William Rutledge in his comments on YouTube gave us some information about "Izsak D" (where the alien spaceship was): it is to Southwest of Delporte Crater. If you combine that information with the following: «(i]DELPORTE, SOUTHWEST OF IZSAK, NORTH OF[/i]» (from the AS15-P-9630 data, Apollo Image Atlas, NASA/LPI), we can understand that the spaceship is to North of Izsak, because in that NASA picture the presumed alien spacecraft is visible. Again, Rutledge's information are coherent with the position of the huge object visible in the official NASA pictures (taken from Apollo 15-17 missions). But for having the right position of the NASA picture as regards the lunar coordinates (latitute and longitude), we have to rotate of 90° to the left one of the NASA images of that lunar zone. If, for instance, we choose the AS15-M-1333 picture, we can get the following perspective: the illustration number 5 (ILL.5).

I think that the operation is correct because I have compared the result to the already discussed i_136_m.jpg picture (from the Lunar and Planetary Institute) which shows clearly the lunar details mentioned by William Rutledge (Delporte, Fermi, Izsak, ect...) If you pay attention, you can recognize the form of the Izsak crater, and its position regards as the strange and huge object leant on the lunar surface, not visible in the i_136_m.jpg image but visible in the photos taken by Apollo 15-17 crews.

After all that I strongly believe the Apollo 20 mission revealed by the presumed William Rutledge, deserves the maxim attention of the scientific community, because its implications could broaden the mankind's horizons in every dimension, and also could reappraise the political and religious ideologies which have been still bringing on suffering and death on the Earth.



© Luca Scantamburlo
July 28, 2007




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NOSE AND COCKPIT OF THE PRESUMED ALIEN SPACESHIP

For example, the Delporte crater is to the North of the Izsak crater: and in fact the Delporte's latitude is about -16° (16 deg S), when the Izsak's latitude is about -23° (23 deg S), which makes perfectly sense. So, it seems there is a contradiction in the subititles. Were the subtitles made by mistake, inverting the data because of too much hurry in typing?
W. Rutledge told us in the interview that some people (not him) made them in a hurry. So, it is possible a mistake. It is also true that everything depends on what portion of the object you consider as nose and what you consider as cockpit.



OTHER CONTRADICTIONS IN THE FOOTAGES

A gentleman from USA, Mr. Charles Gilbert Wright, wrote me at the end of June because he found out that there is another contradiction that I had not noticed. He gave me his kind written permission to mention him: his discovery is analogous to that one I did about the audio coming from Apollo 11 lift-off, and put together to the presumed Apollo 20 lift-off (Vandenberg AFB, August 1976).

The short audio that we can hear watching the video named «Apollo 20 legacy part 1 The City», www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbncnnygZwk, uploaded by retiredafb on April 07, 2007 and that would be "Apollo 20 MET 140 22 29 the unscheduled trasmission rover TV" by the Station One, it comes from a radio communication of the Apollo 15 mission; you can check on the following link: petit gris www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15.lrvload.html where at a certain point they say:

121:05:30 Allen: « Presto chango; there's the TV. »

121:05:36 Scott: « Oh, beautiful, I'm glad to hear that. »

It is just the audio, not the video, which is probably what W. Rutledge claims. But again, why there is an audio contamination? In my opinion it does not invalidate entirely his testimony. For example, if we give a look to the presumed <<APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER>> video of the capsule interior, provided on YouTube by "retiredafb" on June 24, 2007, we can see that it was shot in a zero-gravity environment. We can argue that looking at the white straps sticking straight out, as one friend of mine pointed out. From the video that gravity is having no effect on the straps.

On the other hand, somebody could argue that the presumed Apollo capsule is in a museum. But in this case, who gave the permission to film such a fake? And why, if nobody is getting money from that?
The Apollo 20 case is still open. I hope the Rutledge’s outstanding footages are a real effort of disclosure, in spite of there is something of controversial and contradictory.
If Apollo 19-20 missions took place indeed, other people involved could speak out for the advantage of the mankind.


© L. Scantamburlo
August, 5, 2007





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THE IZSAK AND "IZSAK D" LUNAR CRATERS

I have almost for sure localized the "Izsak D" crater, the target for the landing of the LM-15 of the presumed Apollo 20 mission (August 1976). At the beginning I was a little confused, because on a lunar map the Iszak crater looks like the other crater near the huge and mysterious cigar-shaped object leant on the lunar surface, on the backside of the Moon. The name of the Izsak crater comes from Imre Gyula Izsák(Zalaegerszeg, Hungary, 1929 - Paris, 1965), a Hungarian-American astronomer expert of celestial mechanics.

The Izsak crater has the following features:

Latitude: -23.3°
Longitude: 117.1°
Diameter: 30 KM

Source:
petit gris astrogeology.usgs.gov
petit gris www.lpi.usra.edu

But what about the "Izsak D"? But the "Izsak D" crater is not counted in the public lunar maps.

When we consider the official NASA picture AS15-P-9625 (taken on Apollo 15, 1971) where the curious object is visible, the Izsak crater is not shown, but on the other hand the crater in the middle of the picture is not explained or commented by NASA. That picture, which shows the portion of lunar surface indicated by the lunar map (9625), has the following details: Southwest of Delporte, North of Izsak; Latitude / Longitude: 19° S / 117.5° E.

If we compare that picture to the detail of the same zone of the lunar map available on the Lunar and Planetary Institute, we can see the Izsak crater is out of the borders of the picture.
So, it means that the "Izsak D" crater Mr. William Rutledge is reffering to, is probably the crater at the center of the AS15-P-9625 image.

Moreover, that consideration is enough coherent with the presumed dimensions of the spaceship (about 4 km long) and its dimensions and position regards as the Izsak crater, which is to the South.


© L. Scantamburlo
August, 6, 2007


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THE PRESUMED FLIGHT COURSE OF THE PHOENIX LUNAR MODULE BEFORE DESCENT





RELEASED CONTROVERSIAL FOOTAGE ON YOUTUBE: LEAK OF INFORMATION OR SKILFULL FAKE ?


I am honoured to introduce you to the work by Haim Ram Bar-Ilan, the Israeli designer and artist who has already translated from English into Hebrew my interview to William Rutledge. You can find the interview on my website pages. See the link "interviews".

William Rutledge, whose nickname on YouTube is "retiredafb", has been claiming his identity since last Spring 2007: a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and USAF. In August 1976 W. Rutledge was, according his testimony granted to me in an interview, the Commander (CDR) of the Apollo 20 crew. That secret space mission was, always according to the Rutledge's testimony, a joint US and Soviet mission that followed by just over a year the joint Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP), taken place in July 1975.

Since April 2007 W. Rutledge added on YouTube several video footages which would come from the documentation material of that mission. One of them on YouTube has the following title: «ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20 ».

I have already discussed the video footage, that lasts 5 minutes and 53 seconds. At a certain point I could recognize what, in my opinion, is the western border of the Fermi crater (a walled plane). It seems that the direction of the LM-15 is from Northeast to Southwest. You can read my report entitled «Lunar Coordinates of the Alien Spaceship and Feature of the Fermi Walled Plane».

Haim Ram Bar-Ilan (nicknamed "Rami") has recently identified, in the video spread by W. Rutledge, the Lutke crater. Here you are on this web page his first-rate reconstruction of the presumed flight course of the LM-15, the Phoenix Lunar Module. It would be the last revolution before descent. And as a matter of fact, in the subtitles which go with the frames, we can read: « [...] and below os Lutke ». Of course "os" is a mistake: it would mean "us". The subtitles, W. Rutledge told us, were not made by him (see the interview). And, we can add, not made by an English mother tongue either.

There are some controversial aspects in the Rutledge's testimony and material. But I am convinced that the story deserves our attention. Above all because of some difficulties I have met in doing my researches as journalist (for the moment I prefer not to spread them to the public).

Moreover, if the Apollo 19 (mysteriously failed with "a loss of telemetry") and the Apollo 20 did take place indeed, we should be very careful because it could begin a mass psychological warfare campaign to destroy the testimony that William Rutledge gave us. If he is honest, we must remember he is risking his life, maybe. I like sharing my thoughts and considerations with some intelligent and honest people of the world: we have concluded together that because in the '70 years there was a huge and cigar-shaped object leant on the far side of the Moon, on this one piece of evidence, Natural Reason and Natural Law standing alone proves that we did go there. Thirtyone years ago, man had the capability to go there. We knew about the object from reconnaissance (by the Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 crews for sure, and perhaps even by the Soviet space probes).

Under Natural Law and Natural Reason, mankind had the duty, as a categorical imperative, to go there and investigate the mysterious object. You can be sure that it did happen. If it was not Apollo 20, it was some other secret space mission. And if somebody is skeptical about it, I invite him/her to read the Brookings' report, prepared in November 1960 by the Brookings Institution Washington, D.C.: <<Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Activities for Human Affairs», The report, prepared for NASA, was introduced to the Committe on Science and Astronautics by the House of Representatives of U.S.A. In the documents we can read:

« […] Historical and empirical studies of the behavior of peoples and their leaders when confronted with dramatic and unfamiliar events or social pressures. Such studies might help to provide programs for meeting and adjusting to the implications of such a discovery. Questions one might wish to answer by such studies would include: How might such information, under what cirucumstances, be presented or withheld from the public for what ends? What might be the role of the discovering scientists and other decisionmakers regarding release of the fact of discovery? » from pag. 216, ibidem

So it is clear that in the past somebody suggested several approaches and strategies about the steps to do in case of discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence in our Solar System. Included the possibility to withhold the truth of such a discovery "from the public."


© L. Scantamburlo
August 8, 2007




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LUNAR COORDINATES OF THE PRESUMED ALIEN SPACESHIP






Source: the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video added by "retiredafb" on YouTube.

Far side of the Moon

Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E

Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E

Base: 17.20 deg S, 117.62 deg E





Are the coordinates right? Were they given inverted? The longitude is coherent with the position of the huge object (approximately 4 km long, according to the subtitles of the YouTube video added by "retiredafb" (W. Rutledge). The problem is with the latitude: not with the latitude data, but with their reference to the major parts of the presumed "alien spaceship". Because we can see the base of the object is to the South of the nose, we should have, in my opinion, their reversal. It would be helpful to listen the original radio communication.

The marks for the CSM DSKY are from the transcription of the presumed dialogues between the Apollo 20 CDR and the Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Phoenix crew members, according to the "retiredafb"'s testimony, were A. Leonov and W. Rutledge. The base of the "alien spaceship" (the huge object shown in the image) is buried.


© L. Scantamburlo
August 8, 2007


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THE APOLLO 20 CASE: DEBUNKING OR A TROJAN HORSE FOR THE TRUTH?






INTRODUCTION TO THE CONTROVERSIAL APOLLO 20 CASE

Beginning in May 2007, I had many private contacts with a presumed William Rutledge (YouTube username, "retiredafb") who claims to have been a volunteer for MOL-Gemini project (he was not chosen, according to what he wrote me) and a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts. Up to now my last contact with him, having always taken place by the YouTube General/Messages, was on July 20, 2007, at 01:39 pm: a message of just three lines.

Is he honest? Is he an agent of discredit? Is he a debunker? Who is behind him? Was he really a former test pilot who now is telling us the truth? Or just kernels of truth?

Rutledge could have been a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and USAF. According to his testimony granted to me in an interview, his last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project.

Since April 2007 W. Rutledge posted on YouTube several video footages and images which could have come from the documentation material of a classified mission that took place in August 1976: Apollo 20.
He added 13 different videos; later he removed 4 of them. The main point of his presumed testimony was the probable space investigation of a mysterious cigar-shaped object, visible on official NASA photos taken by Apollo 15 and Apollo 17. The presence of the huge and mysterious object is a reality, based on fact, pointed out by Rutledge himself.

Under Natural Law and Natural Reason, mankind had the duty, as a categorical imperative, to go there and investigate the mysterious object. You can be sure that it did happen. If it was not Apollo 20, it was some other secret space mission. And if somebody is skeptical about it, I invite him/her to read the Brookings' report, prepared in November 1960 by the Brookings Institution Washington, D.C.: «Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Activities for Human Affairs», The report, prepared for NASA, was introduced to the Committe on Science and Astronautics by the House of Representatives of U.S.A. In the documents we can read:

« […] Historical and empirical studies of the behavior of peoples and their leaders when confronted with dramatic and unfamiliar events or social pressures. Such studies might help to provide programs for meeting and adjusting to the implications of such a discovery. Questions one might wish to answer by such studies would include: How might such information, under what cirucumstances, be presented or withheld from the public for what ends? What might be the role of the discovering scientists and other decisionmakers regarding release of the fact of discovery? » from pag. 216, ibidem

So it is likely that in the past somebody recommended and encouraged the adoption of several policies and procedures to follow should the discovery of extraterrestrial artifacts in our Solar System become a reality; chief among them: withholding or delaying disclosure of the discovery of such extraterrestrial "artifacts" from the public.




CONTRADICTIONS AND FAKES. DID SOMEONE FABRICATE THEM ON PURPOSE TO GIVE US A RIDDLE?

On July 01, 2007, at 01:33 PM, my YouTube account received a message from Rutledge. In his message the presumed William Rutledge answered my previous request for clarification. I was very upset because as time passed, many controversial aspects were coming out. I have already discussed them. Most of them are audio contaminations with radio dialogues from former Apollo missions (Apollo 11 and Apollo 15). Finally somebody (a very clever YouTube user), discovered that the video of the presumed "City" (named "Station 1" in the interview) is a fake: if you examine images AS17-134-20437 and AS17-145-22163, found in the Apollo Image Atlas located at the Lunar and Planetary Institute website, you can see for yourself that the matrix of the lunar landscape (visible in the lower part of the screen) is a composition of images taken during the Apollo 17 mission.

Even if the lunar features visible in those images could be signs of artificial structures, they do not refer to the Izsak's neighbourhood. They are images taken by the Apollo 17 crew, who landed on December 11, 1972, on Taurus-Littrow region (coordinates: 20°9'55" N and 30°45'57" E).

But there is the slight possibility that the fake was fabricated on purpose to provide us with a clue in investigating a lunar anomaly: is it possible that the main "rocks" in the image (i.e., rocks having 90-degree angles) are remains of some artifacts? Could the lunar hills in the background be pyramid-like structures, with steps going up the side, like in Mexico City, but partially obfuscated by a thich layer of dust? The site is obviously very old.

However I am aware that now the contradictions of the Apollo 20 case are too many to be simple mistakes made by inexperienced helpers who would live in Rwanda (the country that Rutledge has been claiming as his place of residence).




RETIREDAFB, ARE YOU AN «IMPOSTOR» ? - HERE IS HIS ANSWER

In my quest for answers, I had previously posed the above question mentioned in the title of the paragraph even before to know the truth about the "City" footage spread by "retiredafb" (I received the initial signaling in August, through a gentleman in Portugal). In my question I used the nasty word "impostor", as a possibility for explaining this controversial case, which however gave us the opportunity to discuss the presence of an unknown object on the far side of the Moon. I had asked him to provide me more technical and heretofore unknown historical details that could prove his identity of being a former test pilot and Apollo pilot above all to face the suspicion which was growing in my mind: the idea that maybe he were an impostor.

In his answer "retiredafb" mentioned two NASA employees who, according to him, replied to an e-mail sent them. In this article I am not going to name them. But they are NASA employees indeed. I have checked their names; nevertheless, I decided to omit them (see the dots in brackets) due to the contradictory aspects of the case and the fact that I have not received enough evidence of the alleged e-mail exchange yet, and not to mention respect for the privacy rights of persons in question here. Moreover, the presumed William Rutledge has never used his e-mail address with me. He contacted me only through my YouTube Account /General Messages. So that you might thoroughly examine the issue and draw your own conclusions, I am incorporating the following excerpt from the original message (without any kind of correction of possible mistakes) "retiredafb" sent to my YouTube account:

« Only [...] and [...] wrote me. About details confirming the story, i could give you some things unknown on internet or in books, details that nasa could confirm, if they still have some people active and with a good knowledge of apollo program. - The american flag used during apollo 17 , was the backup flag of the apollo 11 crew. Aldrin and Amstrong used it on the ground, in the KSC building during EVA training. This same flag is now on the ground of the moon, stucked near the steno crater. This old apollo 11 flag is in Taurus Littrow site, Gene Cernan or Harrisson Schmitt can confirm that, or Nasa maybe, but it is a detail omitted in space history. -During Apollo 20, during the REFSMMAT procedure, we used stars for aligning the LM. Three of them were named REGOR NAVI and DNOCES. These names are not recognizable on any sky chart, they were the nicknames of the three astronauts dead during Apollo 1, but spelled backwards. REGOR was ROGER, "roger Chafee" NAVI was IGOR "Virgil IVAN Grissom", and DNOCES meaned SECOND for Edward Higgins White the second. I dont remember what was the number corresponding during REFSMMAT. ». From the retiredafb's message to Luca Scantamburlo, July 01, 2007, at 01:33 PM - Scantamburlo's account /General Messages, YouTube




THE REFSMMAT PROCEDURE AND THE APOLLO 1 CREW

I did not know what the REFSMMAT acronym meant. So I checked on some encyclopaedias and I have found they are initials indicating the procedure used by guidance, navigation, and control system flight controllers during the Apollo program. The term stands for: "Reference to Stable Member Matrix". More information is available on a NASA website: « [...] a reference orientation which can be well defined and used by the crew in their platform alignments. »

source: petit gris http://history.nasa.gov/ap15fj/02earth_orbit_tli.htm

On the link you find the "Star Reference ListNumber" and the Star name which Rutledge is reffering to in his message. Rutledge does not remember the numbers (of course if he is honest at least on this issue); they are the following: 03 for "Navi", 17 for "Regor" and 20 for "Dnoces".

The point is: again we have some very interesting technical details (not well-known among the general public) provided by William Rutledge, and again we have a statement by Rutledge which is not without contradictions: his historical recollection is true, but is reported by some websites; for example in the following:
petit gris http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_names_030829.html

On another one we can read: « [...] the first Apollo crew used their own names spelled backwards Navi = Ivan Grissom, Dnoces = Edward White II, and Regor = Roger Chaffee. When they died in the fire, their unofficial names became used in many different ways. The October 1994 Sky and Telescope magazine apparently has an article on this subject. »

source: «Are there stars called Novi, Regor and Dnoces?»
petit gris www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11234.html

The Apollo 1 crew died in a tragic accident on January 27, 1967, during a launch pad test of the Apollo/Saturn spacecraft being prepared for the first piloted flight: the AS-204 mission. Subsequently the AS-204 mission was redesignated Apollo 1 to remember the lost space crew.
The three crew members were: Lt. Col. Edward Higgins White II (1930-1967), Lt. Col. Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom (1926-1967) and Lieutenant Commander Roger Chaffee (1935-1967).

About the American flag used during Apollo 17, I could not find anything to corroborate or to controvert the information given me by "retiredafb" (William Rutledge). So I think it is necessary to investigate the presumed historical details provided by William Rutledge. This is the main goal of SpaceHeroes.org. One of its team members found out an interesting public document.




THE SATURN V LISTED BY USAF IN THE ENERGY SPACE ASSETS

The document mentioned above is a .ppt presentation prepared by Dr. Ron Sega, Under Secretary of the U.S. Air Force. The date of the document is April 19, 2006, and the title is: «Air Force energy Strategy». On Page 16 you have the Energy and Space Assets prospect: the Saturn V rocket is mentioned, and there is also the comparison with dates: the year 1970 and the year 2006. The fact that the Apollo 20 would have been launched from Vandenberg AFB, according to Rutledge's testimony, is now supported by strong circumstantial evidence.

Moreover, there are official documents (from the '60 years) which prove that the USAF officials discussed and boosted the use of the Saturn V rocket. There is a specific point where the subject is: «Saturn V/Apollo Spacecraft Guidance Computer Developments Programs». Why? It is obvious that the USAF needed the Saturn V capability in case USSR began to set up bases on the Moon. This was probably the main motivation for going to the Moon, and to counter Soviet threat of going there and exploiting it militarily.




BEHIND THE WILLIAM RUTLEDGE'S IDENTITY: THE "STRATEGY OF CONFUSION" ?

Is it possible that behind the William Rutledge's identity there is an agent of some Secret service of an European country who is trying to push (or to drive), the US Government to reveal what it knows about the possible extraterrestrial presence in the Solar System? Or is he a person in control of some shadow Government scheme to subject the public to a psychological and sociological test in the context of the unofficial and rumoured "Public acclimation program"?
So, if Apollo 19 and Apollo 20 missions really took place and one of the crews members is now collaborating to spread the truth, it is obvious that spreading classified material on YouTube would be a military and diplomatic problem. So the better thing to do could be, in that case, spreading true information about the secret space missions but mingled with fakes and contaminations (always using official space documentation).
In my opinion, in spite of the contaminations and contradictions of the case, there are some important questions without a conclusive answer:

1) How did "retiredafb" know about the huge cigar-shaped object resting on the far side of the Moon, visible on official NASA pictures (taken on Apollo 15 and Apollo 17)?

2) How did he get secret video footage? Some of them are in the public domain and therefore are not secret (they are from former Apollo missions); but some of them, up to now, look like genuine footages never revealed to the public. I am talking about the APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress (added and later removed by "retiredafb") and the first part of the presumed LM-15 flyover (ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20). Of course in the future new elements could come out and change my prospect;

3) How did he know about "Section 508", an official NASA section in charge of providing information ?

4) How could a simple joker know so many technical aspects of space history and space flight? I believe that in such a case it would be necessary to have a strong support from someone.

So the presumed Apollo 20 disclosure could very well be only a step of the so-called "strategy of confusion": a strategy which could avoid panic and uncomfortable questions for the Authorities. In my opinion with this sort of Trojan horse (the Apollo 20 case), it would be possible to diffuse a secret truth crucial to the future existence of the mankind while, at the same time, satysfying public curiosity in the far side of the Moon and its mysteries without concern or worry about the eruption of diplomatic intrigue should the real truth be disclosed.


© L. Scantamburlo
August 22, 2007

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APOLLO 19 AND 20 : NEW CLUES AND REVELATIONS ON THE CASE






CLUES ON THE WILLIAM RUTLEDGE'S IDENTITY

Could "retiredafb" - YouTube user who claims to be William Rutledge, now 77 years old- have been a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts? He told us this and other things: that he was born in Belgium in 1930 (in Grembergen, he specified in his user-card on-line on YouTube) and that he was employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and the USAF, before taking part in Apollo 20, a classified mission to the Moon alleged by him to have taken place in August 1976 from Vandenberg AFB aboard a Saturn V moon rocket.

It is entireley possible that Apollo 20 could have been a secret joint US and Soviet space mission that occured one year after the famous Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, which launched in July 1975.

According to his testimony granted to me in an interview, Rutledge's last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (USAF). He explained me also that the ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project) was the preparatory mission to Apollo 19; and later Apollo 20, after the presumed failure of Apollo 19 and the loss of its crew. He told me that the ASTP was, for the Americans, the Apollo 18. Is it possible and correct under the historical point of view? Let us begin by examining the historical record.




APOLLO 18 ? YES, IT DID EXIST AND IT DID TAKE PLACE

As the matter of fact, an official NASA Web page with an indication that ASTP was a mission involving Soyuz 19 and Apollo 18 capsules, can be found at the following link: petit gris http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html

The caption "Apollo 18" identifies who the United States crew members of the ASTP were: Thomas P. Stafford, Vance D. Brand, Donald K. "Deke" Slayton. Although we have no evidence in the historical record that Apollo 18 was followed by Apollo 19 (due to Apollo 19 being most a secret USAF mission), William Rutledge gave a precise definition for the ASTP. It was correct, in spite of the fact this information is not well-known by the general public.




THE KH-10 AND KH-11 PROJECTS

According to William Rutledge, his last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (see my interview to him, answer n. 7). Moreover, he told us that he was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini program (see his answer n.4 - and Fig.1 of this article), but he told me in a private YouTube communication he was not chosen.
From the historical record, MOL means "Manned Orbiting Laboratory", and was a program created by the USAF (not NASA) to put Air Force pilots in Space for periods up to 40 days. Canceled in 1969, the MOL program was replaced by the KH-11 program. Due to the need to surveil the entire surface of Earth, MOL-Gemini was designed so it could be launched from Vandenberg AFB (for insertion into polar orbit). I have found that MOL was also known as KH-10 (code name: "Dorian"). This is what surprised me because Rutledge did not mention MOL-Gemini as KH-10, but he mentioned KH-11. Thus, we can conclude that what William Rutledge's account of his involvement as potential pilot for the MOL-Gemini (KH-10) and his participation to KH-11 program as an employee before retiring, comports with the historical record.

The KH-11 (code name: "Crystal") is a series of military satellites launched from Vandenberg AFB from December 1976 until the end of the '80s, and were used as reconnaissance satellites placed in polar orbit for global surveillance purposes.
If you are interested in obtaining more information on the issue, visit the F.A.S. website (fas.org). Formed in 1945 by some atomic scientists and engineers from the Manhattan Project, F.A.S. is an acronym for Federation of American Scientists and was created by them because they knew just how important it is to provide information to the public to help encourage and facilitate discussion on critical national decisions.




HIS BIRTHPLACE: GREMBERGEN, BELGIUM

What can be said about his presumed birthplace in Belgium? William Rutledgte updated his YouTube card at the beginning of June 2007- if I remember well - when he added as his birthplace the name "Grembergen", but between brackets. I have checked on some encyclopaedias and on the Web: Grembergen is a small Belgian town close to Dendermonde, in Oost-Vlaanderen region. They speak French and Flemish languages, the two official Belgian languages. Oost-Vlaanderen is the Eastern Flanders, where Grembergen is located.

About the retiredafb's presumed surname (Rutledge), I received some help from South America: an engineer (G.C. - he asked me not to mention him, with exceptions oh his initials) wrote me an e-mail about it. He recommended that I search for the surname, "Rutledge", at familienaam.be, a website where you can find a geographical diffusion of a Belgian family name. So I have found two zones in which the family name "Rutledge" is present, or perhaps native. In one of them there is Antwerp city (in Italian we say "Anversa"). But Antwerp is a city near Grembergen: only 27.3 km by air and 33.6 km by road. You can check the distances using, for example, Microsoft AutoRoute.

This is an interesting clue. If "retiredafb" is a faker and an impostor, he has chosen very well his presumed surname and place of birth, coherent with the geographical diffusion of the family name, "Rutledge". Otherwise, I guess we have a piece of evidence which indicates he indeed does exist and that he is most likely a Belgian man by the name of William Rutledge, who became later an American citizen.

The main question is: was William Rutledge really a civilian former test pilot and astronaut who worked as contractor for USAF in the '70s? (today, for istance, the Blackwater security firm and its activities for the DoD are well-known, as Kevin Smith pointed out during his radio talk show with me as guest, at the beginning of October 2007).




ABOUT THE APOLLO 19 AND THE LUMINARY PROGRAM: DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF THE APOLLO PROGRAM

In recollecting the dramatic loss of the Apollo 19 spacecraft and its crew, it was amazing thing to me how William Rutledge was more precise about it before what he told me in the interview (see answer nr.13); on May 23 he told me in our contacts (see Fig.3) that:

« Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry wheile being at the end of the TLI, it was not clearly explained at this time, but it is beleived, it was a natural phenomemon, a collision of the aircraft and one of Cruithne brother, who was not identified in 1976. »
May 23, 2007, 06:12 PM, from my YouTube Account

I did not know what TLI meant, and I have found later that it is the acronym used to indicate the propulsion maneuver which sets a spacecraft on a trajectory which will intersect the Moon. TLI stands for "Trans Lunar Injection".

« [...] In 2 hours and 38 minutes, the J-2 engine on the aft end of the S-IVB stage is due to be restarted in a maneuver that will send Frank Borman, Bill Anders and Jim Lovell further away from the Earth than any human has ever ventured. This is the TLI or Translunar Injection maneuver. »

petit gris http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/02earth_orbit_tli.htm.

Another thing that surprised me is what I have found about the data Rutledge gave us in the interview (see answer nr. 10). Here you have his original words I received on May 25, 2007, again without any correction:

« [...] CSM is command module service, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms .AGC is apollo guidance computer, same that dsky, but located in the apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telecope (aot on the lm).In some videos, the first image you see is the dsky pannel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the dsky has to do and show. Before filming i had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since liftoff, then noun 65 for displaying on therre rows, hours on the first line minutes ont the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then i had to film the creen to date the tape. » May 25, 2007, 07:06 PM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube Account.

So I checked on the Apollo 15 Delco LM Manual - LM DSKY, that you can consult on-line because there is the PDF version of the full Delco LM Manual (181 Mb) created by Frank O'Brien. Moreover, there are some pages which were extracted from the PDF version petit gris http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LMDSKY.html
It is enough to choose the right files (verbs and nouns)

In this case I downloaded the A15DelcoLM-11 and the A15DelcoLM-06 JPEG images. Yes, Rutledge said something right. Verb 15, in the list of verbs used in Program Luminary, means "Monitor Octal Components 1, 2, 3, in R1, R2, R3", while the noun 65 means "Sampled LGC time (fetched in interreput)

00XXX. h

000XX. min

0XX.XX sec

Again, it seems William Rutledge knew something consistent with space filight concepts and particularly with Program Luminary (see also the interview to him, answer nr. 13).




ABOUT ROSWELL, REVERSE ENGINEERING AND TRIANGLE SPACECRAFTS ON THE MOON

I want to point out that the presumed former test pilot (William Rutledge), before he granted me the interview, in our private contacts told me something I did not made public yet. You can imagine how I felt months ago, and why I did not reveal the information. I was a little skeptical and shocked at the same time. As journalist I am aware that I must protect my source of information, but also spreading information and evidence which can help the public to understand how much truth there is in the case. So, I will not spread any information which can compromise his life or causing troubles to someone else.

It does not matter if he is really a former test pilot or just an impostor. Ours was a private communication, with some portions of it for sure destined to the public. Though I have the feeling he told me many things because he wanted to make them public, and I know that it is in the public interest collecting evidence and details for our understanding, I have to be very careful in spreading his information.

What did William Rutledge tell me?

Rutledge told me something about the UFO cover up, about J.F. Kennedy's assassination (he put a wrong date on his message: 1961 instead of 1963, but if W.Rutledge is not an impostor, it could be just a so-called lapsus calami committed by an old man, a common mistake that everybody does at least once in the life) and about reverse engineering carried out in USA, after retrievals of 6 alien spacecrafts crashed between Alamogordo and Roswell, in 1947. Moreover he also mentioned Corso to me, and something about the propulsion system of the alien spacecrafts.

This occured on May 23, 2007, before the interview. Here you are some of his original words, without corrections: « [...] six craft fel on earth between alamogordo and roswell, 5 in alamogordo »

I am going to spread these information (true or false I do not know yet) to the public in the future, but before that, I want to write an affidavit for SpaceHeroes.org, in which almost every our communication taken place on YouTube will be a single exhibit.

About triangles spacecrafts on the far side of the Moon, and about the reasons for he decided to speak out, Rutledge said to me (see Fig.8):

« [...] about the spacecraft, one triangle was accessible) in a triangle craft, we found two bodies, one in bad condition, a meteor cut the body at the neck level, we tok the littl skull on board. The other body was strange, NDNA, not dead not alive, but crusted with impacts, stalagmites of blood coming out of hemmoragias zones. One body was on apollo 20, fixed on a hammock, and we passed hours watching the hands, the strange hair, not the kind you see a scifi movie. The hair was in good condition, we can say alive, alexei tested it.The ship was not explored on the 4 kilometers, but no place detected for weapons. » May 23, 2007, 07:42 AM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube Account.


« [...] -no military craft, exploring one, Crew of 300, two female pilot on trangles. [...] I choosed to to it know because all apollo program had to be definitely locked with th outgoing of 'the marvel of it all' presented april 20, presenting the 12 astronauts alive who stayed on the moon.
It was a trahison for me , for alexei, and for the 3 dead astronauts of amollo 19. My girlfriend Stephanie ELlis, first american woman in sace, fisrt afro maerican woman was killed during this mission, i have no place to pray for her, her remains are still in orbit around earth.
» May 23, 2007, 07:48 AM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube account.




NEW CONSIDERATIONS ON THE DIMENSIONS OF THE
CIGAR-SHAPED OBJECT ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE MOON

As dr. Carl Sagan used to say (see his television program "Cosmos"), science is a self-correcting process. Of course journalism is not science, but I guess the principles are valid and apply the same way. Let us begin from a mistake I made while I was discussing on the controversial Apollo 19/20 case.
At the end of October 2007 I was spokesman at a conference organized in Lucca, a city close to Florence (Italy). The evening topic was the dark side of the Moon and the presumed Apollo 20 mission, officially never occured. Another spokesman of that evening was completely not in agreement with me. In spite of the deep throat by the name of William Rutledge ("retiredafb" on YouTube) has pointed out a huge cigar-shaped object on the far side of the Moon, he declared the Apollo 20 mission completely a fake. According to him, even that object is a result of a natural phenomenon that took place on the lunar surface in the distant past.

The strange thing is that he made some calculations to estimate the object dimensions, and he obtained some results which indicate the object is longer than what we thought (see the Salvatore Valentin Carta's assessment: lenght of 3.370 km and width of 0.510 km). Because the Italian spokesman referenced Izsak crater as the crater immediately close to the cigar-shaped object, using it as ruler, I believed his result was wrong. As the matter of fact that crater is not the Izsak crater; it is what W. Rutledge has indicated as "Izsak D" - it looks like a double impact crater, whic appears as a figure eight-shaped crater. But as a coincidence its dimensions are almost like Izsak crater dimensions, which are known by the scientific community. So that evening in Lucca city I was correct about the Izsak crater position, but I was incorrect about the lenght of the so-called "spaceship" resting on the backside of the Moon.

Whatever that strange object is (a strange natural formation or an alien spacecraft), its lenght is more than 4 km. We can safely say between 3 and 5 km. William Rutledge told us that is approximately 4 km long.
I can say this because after that conference in Lucca, I worked on the pictures by myself to measure the pixels of the objects. First of all, I downloaded a free software: ZoomMagic (Copyright PeakStars). With ZoomMagic you can measure objects dimensions in pixels and in centimeters.
We know that the Izsak crater is in the South-East lunar quadrant, on the backside of the Moon.
Of course, for this reason, is not observable from the Earth. Its dimension are: 30x30Km / 18x18Mi; you can check on the Virtual Moon Atlas, a free software under the GNU General Public License (database © Ch. Legrand) very well done and useful. Otherwise, you can check by the astrogeology.usgs.gov database.
So we can use Izsak as ruler. I have chosen a JPEG image listed as AS15-M-1720, from the Apollo Image Atlas (LPI). it is a Hi Resolution Image (2.9 MB): (Width) 2400 x (Height) 2397 pixels.

We can think of the longitudinal axis of the cigar-shaped object as the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle. I have measured the two catheti: 16 pixels and 67 pixels. To find the hypotenuse we can use the well-known Pythagoras theorem: I have got the value of 68.88 px. With a simple ratio we can calculate the dimension in km of the huge object of the far side of the Moon: 430 (px): 30 (km) = 68.88 (px): X (km)

What I got is: x= 4.80 km. X in this case would be the object lenght, considering the approximation that the cigar-shaped object is parallel to the lunar soil, and that there is no perspective effect in the picture. So we have a lenght of almost 5 km.
My feeling is that huge object is not a natural formation and if there is the tiny possibility it is artificial, it was and it is mandatory for mankind to investigate that lunar anomaly with a robotic or a manned mission on the far side of the Moon.








© L. Scantamburlo
November 8, 2007


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WHAT IS GOING ON IN SPACE ?






WILLIAM RUTLEDGE WARNED ME ABOUT AN INCREASE OF CELESTIAL PHENOMENA

Who is William Rutledge, a.k.a. "retiredafb" on YouTube? Now - after several articles and reports I wrote in the last months - I feel it is important to speak out about some revelations made by William Rutledge during last summer 2007.
Of course at the same time it is mandatory to provide an evidence of what I am talking, otherwise I guess it would be hard for the public to believe me. That's why I have decided to spread again a snapshot of our past private messages (censured by me in some points) taken place through my YouTube Account/General Messages. See the picture in this page.

Up to now we have not yet enough evidence to prove he was a former test pilot involved in some secret space mission with USAF. Since April 2007 on YouTube he gave out 13 videos: some of them are contaminated with audio from other space missions (Apollo 11 and 15). Two of them (referred to the so-called video of the "City") are well done fake, made using some official NASA pictures from Apollo 17 mission. But again I ask you: what about the footage in which we can see an ingress of some unknown presumed astronauts without the classic American flag on their spacesuit? And what can we say about the huge cigar-shaped object he indicated? It is a reality, resting on the far side of the Moon. And what about the alleged historical facts- not known by public - he provided us in the interview he granted me at the end of May 2007?




THE "CUBE", A STRANGE STRUCTURE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE MOON :
IS IT THE SOCALLED "CITY" MENTIONED BY WILLIAM RUTLEDGE ?

Besides, as an engineer from South America reminded me, we must remember that the Apollo 13 crew took some oustanding pictures of the far side of the Moon: some of them (AS13-60-8608 and AS13-60-8609 images) show a strange light reflection coming from the lunar surface: it seems there is something of unusual there. Years ago Richard Hoagland already discussed the lunar anomaly (see www.enterprisemission.com). It could be that the videos of the "City" spread by "retiredafb" on YouTube are just a catalyst to draw media and public attention, and to remember what was already known among the highest levels of NASA and USAF.

You can read on the subject an excellent article - «Huston, We Have Another Problem» - written in 2003 by Steve Troy (www.lunaranomalies.com/houston.htm), in which he uses the expression "Cube" to investigate the two photographs. Troy contacted and worked with Hoagland. Think about to this statement by Steve Troy: « [...] These two photographs proved to be a classibreveal that this area was a veritable "goldmine" of glass artifacts »

And you might surprise about the location of that lunar anomaly. Why? For two reasons:

1) William Rutledge never gave us the coordinates of the so-called "City", and the "Cube" is not so far from Tsiolkovsky crater and near Fermi walled plane;

2) he mentioned the "City" as "station one" in the Apollo 20 schedule (see the interview to William Rutledge, answer nr.17) . So it means that it has a priority for some reasons, or it was just because of its discovery date: made before of the discovery of the cigar-shaped object close to "Izsak D" crater (Apollo 15, 1971).

Moreover, because of a deep knowledge of space flight and of past space exploration which William Rutledge proved to us, we should keep our mind open about his controversial testimony.

The main reasons which pushed me now to speak out about his revelation on year 2012, are what recently happened in Bangladesh (do you remember the dramatic floods caused last November 2007 by the powerful Cyclone Sidr?) and what is going on in space, since the sudden outburst of the comet P-17 Holmes, at the end of October 2007.




FROM NOW TO YEAR 2012: WILLIAM RUTLEDGE'S FORECAST

« About 2012, i was awared like others, that a major problem could occur during the 2012 year, that some entire countries like Bengladesh and Indonesia, could be flooded. Starting from September 2007, many celestial phenomenons should be visible, it will be increasing till 2012. [...] » July 01, 2007, 01:50 PM from "retiredafb's message" to Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account.

In this context do not dwell too much on the mistakes made by Rutledge writing in English (we have already discussed them in the interview). First of all: pay attention to the date of the message: July 1st, 2007; moreover, pay attention to his warning: he indicated the date of September 2007 as the beginning of an increase of celestial phenomena.




WHAT IT IS GOING ON AND HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN SPACE ?

What happened in space since September 2007? We can give a look to the mass media recent news:

1) at the end of October (between October 23 and 24) because of unknown reasons, the small Comet P-17 Holmes became very bright, changing his brightness by a factor of million, reaching a magnitudine of 2.7: it was visible by naked eye (it looks like a star) in the Constellation Perseus, near Cassiopeia, and its sudden outburst is still a mystery for the astronomers; an impact with something from the outer space or just jets of particles from the core?

2) a not well known comet - the Boethin, about a mile in diameter and discovered in 1975 - is suddenly vanished; read about the New York Times article: <<A Comet Is Missing, So Spacecraft Will Go to NASA’s Next Choice>> by HENRY FOUNTAIN, Published on December 18, 2007

3) an asteroid recently discovered - known as 2007 WD5 - could hit Mars next January 2008: read about the CNN news: <<Astronomers: Asteroid could hit Mars in January», published on December 21, 2007;


The Rutledge's testimony about 2012 could be, in my opinion, connected to what Malachi Martin (1921– 1999) - an eminent theologian and a former Jesuit who worked by the Holy See from 1958 to 1964 - told as guest to Art Bell radio talk show (Coast to Coast AM), in April 1997, during a discussion about the VATT (Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope) and his purposes: « [...] Knowledge of what is going on in space and of what is approaching us could be of great import in next 5 - 10 years. »

Martin's statement from an interview with Art Bell on April 5th, 1997. You can listen Malachi Martin's voice at the following link:
petit gris http://www.planetxvideo.com/fathermalachimartin.htm

Art Bell is the creator of Coast to Coast AM (now with George Noory, check petit gris http://www.coasttocoastam.com), radio talk show in the United States which deals with several topics, but especially with UFOs and paranormal.



THE SELENE "KAGUYA", JAPANESE SPACE PROBE

To conclude I think that William Rutledge - whoever he is, a former test pilot or an impostor - is a remarkable person who deserves our attention. He looks like - because of his statements and forecasts - at the center of a leak of information from the insiders world. I think we should be indebted to him.
And if we consider the recent baffling declarations by some Japanese politicians - about UFOs and the possible implications of an extraterrestrial visitation or presence on Earth - could not be a mere coincidence. We have to remember that from the Tanegashima Space Center the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), on September 14 (Japan Standard Time, JST), sent the SELENE "Kaguya" space probe, « the most sophisticated lunar exploration mission in the post-Apollo era » (from the JAXA documentation, pdf files). In this context SELENE means SELenological & ENgineering Explorer.

Can you imagine what kind of pictures and videos SELENE can get back, from the mysterious far side of the Moon? For sure classified at the moment. The Japanese politicians who spoke in front of the press about possible extraterrestrial intelligence and UFOs did that as private citizens, but they have showed anyway that at least one country is already ready and enough wise to deal with new challenges for all mankind.


L. Scantamburlo
December 27, 2007




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AN INTERVIEW WITH APOLLO 19 COMMANDER






REVELATIONS BY ANOTHER INSIDER ON THE APOLLO 19/20 CASE: "MOONWALKER1966DELTA" - A YOUTUBE USER - CLAIMS TO BE A FORMER NASA ASTRONAUT



INTRODUCTION


Since May 2007 I have been investigating as freelancer an intrigant case on which so far there is an embarrassing silence in the mass media world: the Apollo 19/20 case, about classified USAF missions - officially never occured - by NASA assistance and the collaboration of the Soviets.
It seems that up to now only Kevin Smith – see his interview with me in October 2007, during his radio talk The Kevin Smith Show (live from Phoenix, Arizona) has opened a honest discussion on the controversial topic.
Among not many reports on the issue, I want to point out the one written by Steve Johnson for a British bi-monthly publication: The Apollo XX Controversy, pages 31-35, UFO Data Magazine, November-December 2007; it is fair and keeps an open mind.
We know the Apollo 19/20 case is a jungle composed by truth and fake; there are contradictory aspects and some misleading data, but at the same time very interesting videos never seen before, official evidence of symmetrical (artificial?) objects resting on the lunar surface, some detailed information on Space exploration and Space flight, and an historical context where to read this astonishing story. My opinion is we are facing some kernels of truth, very important for the mankind's future.

The target of the above-mentioned and presumed military space missions would have been the far side of the Moon, where to explore and collect data about some mysterious and huge objects resting over there; among them, two triangle objects and a huge cigar-shaped object, apparently ancient extraterrestrial space ships.

The insider who - since April 2007 by YouTube - has been telling the story is “retiredafb” (that's his YouTube user name), who claims to be William Rutledge, an American citizen and a former civilian test pilot that would have employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and the USAF, before taking part in Apollo 20 as commander (CDR). The other two crew members of Apollo 20: Leona Marietta Snyder (as CSP) and the famous cosmonaut Alexei Leonov (as LMP).

According to Rutledge's testimony, Apollo 20 was a secret joint US and Soviet space mission that occured in August 1976 (launch from Vandenberg AFB: August 16), about one year after the famous Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, which launched in July 1975 (Apollo 18 and Soyuz 19).
Kindly at the end of May 2007 “retiredafb” granted me an interview (not by e-mail) by the YouTube General messages service; an interview which I was able to arrange and spread on my website: petit gris www.angelismarriti.it; as journalist I thought the story told by “retiredafb” about Apollo 19 and 20 was worthy of attention.

Just to give you an example, an indirect and possible confirmation of the story could be the not well-known ASTP memorial flags signed by Alexei Leonov; P.R. - one Italian citizen who has been following my reports since August 2007 - has found the official link of USSR-AIRSPACE.COM: you can see that the flags look like the mission patch aboard the Constellation, presumed Apollo 20 CSM; even on revver.com another user pointed out the same link.

Rutledge's last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (USAF). He explained me also that the ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project) was the preparatory mission to Apollo 19; and later Apollo 20, after the presumed failure of Apollo 19 and the presumed loss of its crew. Therefore Apollo 20, a classified mission to the Moon alleged by William Rutledge to have taken place aboard a Saturn V moon rocket, would have been preceded by Apollo 19. In recollecting the dramatic loss of the Apollo 19 spacecraft and of its crew, it was an amazing thing to me how William Rutledge was more precise about it before what he told me in the interview (see answer nr.13); on May 23 2007, he told me in our contacts (see Fig.3) that: « Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry wheile being at the end of the TLI, it was not clearly explained at this time, but it is beleived, it was a natural phenomemon, a collision of the aircraft and one of Cruithne brother, who was not identified in 1976. » May 23, 2007, 06:12 PM, from my YouTube Account

At the moment William Rutledge (born in Belgium in 1930, in Grembergen, he specified in his user-card on-line on YouTube) moved to another website of files sharing: revver.com, where he has registered himself with the same nickname used on YouTube : “retiredafb”. You can see some of his videos at the following address: petit gris http://revver.com/u/retiredafb/




"MOONWALKER1966DELTA" SPEAKS OUT

Later on another YouTube user - by the name of "moonwalker1966delta" - has been beginning to spread alleged classified short videos about Apollo 20 mission. The discussion I present to you in this report is an interview I arranged from questions and answers accomplished by YouTube Account/General Messages. I sent my questions to his account on August 14, 2008, after some contacts by YouTube taken place since May 2008, in which he had already revealed:

1) to be a former NASA astronaut;
2) to be the (survived) Apollo 19 Commander (CMDR), and that « since William decided to tell the truth », he thinks « it's the right moment to do the same ».

Moreover - on July 24, 2008 - in another message he disclosed his alleged identity, with name, surname and his former space missions as astronaut for NASA. I prefer not revealing it - as he has suggested - until more and new elements will be disclosed at last.
If "moonwalker1966delta" has told me the truth about his identity and this will be confirmed, his courageous gesture could change forever the human history and our perspective of humanity's role in the Universe. The Pentagon, NASA and the Russian Government - in my humble opinion - could take advantage of the revelation: helping to widen mankind horizons in every dimension, both physical and spiritual, and helping to stop the energy crisis, could improve the US and Russia reputations, and to level the current divergences among Mosca and Washington.
As I have already written in a former report, It would be a good thing to disclose and spread the truth about the reality of the extraterrestrial intelligence in the Universe, through an unknown historical fact in which the two great powers of the World of the past (the USA and the USSR) joined together for scientific and peaceful activities, in spite of all their differences and political hostilities.
As pointed out by William Rutledge in one of his comments on YouTube: « […] the apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage ».

Virgilio wrote: « Carpent tua poma nepotes>>. The Apollo 20 patch quotes it. Maybe we are those grandchildren…



THE INTERVIEW WITH "MOONWALKER1966DELTA"
- FIRST PART -


In the following interview I have just put the right spaces, and corrected a few orthographical mistakes that there were in our messages (e.g. I have put the right capital letters, like "I" instead of "i", "Earth" instead of "earth", likely written in a hurry, ect.), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by "moonwalker1966delta", who - in my opinion - from his English seems an American-English native land, or someone who knows English very well.


1) Luca Scantamburlo: First of all, I want to thank you for your precious time and your kindness. Your YouTube user name is “moonwalker1966delta”. In our contacts you did not provide documents which can prove who you are, but you revealed to me your name and surname; you have also declared that you are a former NASA astronaut and you have been “Apollo 19 CMDR”, where I know that CMDR, like CDR, means Commander. Of course I have been protecting your identity as I have promised, and I will omitt the names of NASA astronauts involved and that you have mentioned, at least for the moment. I wish they will speak out, sooner or later. Can you explain why you have chosen that user name? I think just some clues – if you prefer – could be enough. By the way, last year I recevied an e-mail about the Apollo 20 case from a former American pilot who wrote: « There is no doubt that the U.S. has been on the moon since 1962 but it did not use rocket propulsion to do this. However rocket launches of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo were used as a cover for the secret program. It is very possible that there were several Apollo launches both before and after the official Apollo program but they would have been launched from Diego Garcia, Kwajalein or Australia (possibly Melville Island) or another secret launch area. A Saturn V launched from Vandenberg although possible seems unlikely because of the size of the rocket and the fact that it was going to the moon. The rotational speed of the earth is significant in all Saturn launches and therefore the launch has to be generally eastbound. Since an eastbound launch out of Vandenberg would be very unlikely [...] »
Unfortunately I have never received answer from him, notwithstanding my several e-mails. That's why I have decided to spread part of his e-mail text. Can you comment on his opinion?


moonwalker1966delta: Dear Luca thank you so much for the opportunity to talk about this matter and all that is related. Honestly I don't know if we have been on the moon since 1962 but I don't agree with it for the simple reason we didn't have the technology to do that and because I followed step by step the lunar missions and the moon era starting from Mercury and Gemini missions to Apollo program and I have never heard about any previous possible mission to the moon.
We launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base and the launch tower and complex has been carried there by sea. One simple assembly building, now shortered for the space shuttle military missions. The LUT tower was same model, the crawler too.
Mission control was locatedin Yevpatoria for Russia and Vandenberg for USA. To say that launching from Vandenberg for a moon mission would be impossible or quite difficult it's completely wrong and to say that rotational speed of the earth is significant in space launches is also wrong. A classic example could be the launch of Clementine 1 unmanned spacecraft to the moon from Vandenberg Air Force Base on January 25 1994. In reality it is possible to launch a spacecraft to the moon from everywhere on the earth, the only difference would be the longest time and biggest fuel consumption during TLI to insert in the correct trans lunar trajectory.I know that someone used a software to simulate an apollo launch from Vandenberg and the result has been that the first stage and the second stage would have crashed in Arizona and South Georgia. That is true! But if you take a look at the first stage separation footage of Apollo 11 for example and the Apollo 20 Rutldedge's footage you will notice for sure that the altitude it separated at is much much higher then apollo 11 altitude and the separation speed is much slower and the only reason for it is to make the first and second stage to be yet attracted by earth gravity but enough high to ensure they completely destroy during reentry into the atmosphere.
About my nickname I can say that it represents in only 3 words my inner personal universe and all I have been attracted to. Moonwalker because I walked on the moon. 1966 because during Gemini 10 from 18 to 21 of July 1966 I operated the first computer and delta because it usually indicates a technology resulting from alien technology or generally indicating an alien interference.


2) L.S. William Rutledge (Apollo 20 CDR) told me that you – crew members of Apollo 19 - were lost in space at the end of TLI maneuver. Since your first answer to my YouTube Account/General Messages – on May 12, 2008 – it touched me on the raw the fact you told me that - in spite of the difficulties - you survived. You said to me: « I really don't know nor understand why William said we had been lost in space. That's not true. It's true we have been hit by something ».
And this last thing is what William Rutledge told us. Morever you affirmed in your first message to me, dated May 12 2008: « we still don't know what caused a light loss of gyroscopic inertial vector a sudden breakdown of electrical power bus unit and a completely loss of telemetry. We had smoke and light fire on the frontal panel but we have been able to extinguish it at once. As soon as we had electrical power again we stopped manually giroscopic movement. Fortunatly we still have radio contact with Houston and as soon as [name omitted] and [name omitted] entered the simulator we have been able to receive remote telemetry data in voice with [name omitted] and Houston. »

So – please, correct me if I am wrong - it means that Apollo 19 launching pad was in California and then – after the launch - you were assisted by Houston Mission Control (in Texas), and not by Vandenberg Air Force Base, which is in California?
By the way: on June 24, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge in which he said to me: « Hi Luca, yes i confirm, mission control was in Vandenberg NOT Nasa, it was a political mess, nasa provided the vehicle, it was a russian condition, the vehicle to be a civilian one. Sub contractors helped, except ILC dover , who was not a pure military contractor. Mission control in Vandenberg was slightly different, 5 rooms instead of a big one, little but efficient. »
Can you comment on it?


moonwalker1966delta: Yes that's correct. Mission control for USA was in Vandenberg AFB but we have been forced to use Houston mission control for contingency situation due to incident occured because the simulator Armstrong and Aldrin used was located at KSC and telemetry link data of the simulator was directly connected to Houston mission control as in usual Apollo Missions. That's why from that moment we used radio and data link with Houston mission control only.

3) L.S. In your message I mentioned in question nr. 2 of the interview, you said: « We had to be back up crew of Apollo 19 but since the original crew has been cancelled about 3 weeks before launch we became the mission crew while [name omitted] and [name omitted] have been selected as back up crew. [...] we haven't got women on board but another official Apollo program astronaut as pilot and another russian cosmonaut with exceptional medical skills. »
What can you tell me about Stephanie Ellis (Abidjan, Ivory Coast, 1946 - ? 1976)? Was she a member of the Apollo 19 original crew, later on cancelled? And can you confirm the identity of the Soviet cosmonaut scheduled for Apollo 19? William Rutledge told me he was “Aleksei Sorokin” (YouTube message received by me on July 15, 2007). I spread this information to the public for the first time. What happened to them?

moonwalker1966delta: Yes I confirm original Apollo 19 crew members were Stephanie Ellis Aleksei Sorokin and John Swigert. John died in 1982 for cancer but Stephanie and Aleksei disappeared in 1975 and 1976. I don't know the real reason they have been removed from Apollo 19 crew but someone said Stephanie was talking around too much about Apollo 19 mission and the moon spacecraft. I heard she died at the end of 1975 during a training flight.

4) L.S. Have you ever met Leona Marietta Snyder, Apollo 20 CSP?

moonwalker1966delta: Yes I met Leona Snyder and William 2 months after Apollo 20 reentry during a secret conference at KSC and again in 1993 at a restaurant in San Antonio with Leonov and David Scott.

5) L.S. Can you tell me when and where - if it happened - did you meet William Rutledge for the first and the last time?

moonwalker1966delta: The first time I met William was in 1974 at JSP where I have been selected as chief of astronauts. I was training for Apollo 19 and when I knew the names of Apollo 20 crew I ask to meet him and I have been very impressed about his knowledge of alien technology we are working about at that time. The last time has been in San Antonio in 1993.

[...]


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APOLLO 20: FOR THE SOVIETS THE MISSION CONTROL WAS IN YEVPATORIYA

The revelations by "moonwalker1966delta" confirm Rutledge's testimony.

In one of his first messages sent to me, William Rutledge (aka "retiredafb") told me that for the Soviets the Apollo 20 mission control was in Yevpatoriya.
"moonwalker1966delta" has confirmed this detail (above, see his answer to question nr. 1).

Here you are - spread to the general public - part of a Rutledge's message, never revealed before by me: « [...] Russians had another mission control in Yevpatoria, Lyosha could take his orders from there , anyway there was no interference between russians and US military. I saw your note about medals... We were fired out any space program. The american space program fell abruptly after Jimmy carter's election. Gerald Ford was a big fan of space program, cooperation between CCCP and USA was very active, he had clear views about the space shuttle program. In august 1976, he was busy about elections and didn't participated or watched any part of the adventure. » "retiredafb" on YouTube - in a message to Luca Scantamburlo (YouTube Account/General Messages, June 24, 2007), the same message mentioned in my question nr. 2 of the interview to "moonwalker1966delta".


In May 2007 - at the beginning of our contacts - William Rutledge wrote to me about two other towns: « [...] i'm forced to use a anonymizer program. I'm still very carefull , and i wish, if it is ok for you, to reply on this youtube adress. You can ask me everythig , i'll just have to give the names of employees of the lower class, other names will not be a problem. » « [...] the chief of the russian programm was in the Ural, in the towns of Nijni Tagil and Sverdlovsk (today Yekaterinburg). » "retiredafb" on YouTube - in a message to Luca Scantamburlo (YouTube Account/General Messages, May 18, 2007).


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THE INTERVIEW WITH "MOONWALKER1966DELTA"
- SECOND PART -

On September 24, 2008, on my YouTube account I received some answers by "moonwalker1966delta": to questions nr. 8, 10, 11 and 12. No answer for questions nr. 6,7 and 9 yet. I do not know the reasons. Moreover, they are still missing answers to questions nr. 13 and 14. For the following second part of the interview - as usual - I have just put the right spaces and the right capital letters, like "I" instead of "i", likely written in a hurry, ect., but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by "moonwalker1966delta".


8) L.S. What can you tell me about Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin as CapCom? Moreover, have you ever met prof. Valentin Alexeiev, mentioned by W. Rutledge as the presumed person in charge of the mission in Soviet Union, and who would have become later on the President of the Academy of Science in Urals?

moonwalker1966delta: Yes I can confirm Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin as CAPCOM of Apollo 20 and no I have never personally met Alexeiev though he has been the Soviet Mission Director for my mission too.

10) L.S. What were your mission targets, as Apollo 19 crew?

moonwalker1966delta: Our main targets were one of the triangular object located south of the main mothership, the mothership herself and the moon base located SW of the mothership. Our landing site was the same of Apollo 20. Soviets launched the SL-12 2 months before our mission and Luna 21 landed on the west side of the crater. Apollo 20 used Lunokhod 2 as a radio beacon to land exactly on the second largest rockstair not far from Luna 21. Rutledge and Leonov made and extensive use of Lunokhod 2 due to it's highly sophisticated equipment necessary for this kind of mission not only the 4 panoramic telephotometers but also the X-ray scope combined with laser telemeter and the radiation detector to verify the possible radiations emitted by the ship and the base.

11) L.S. What can you tell me about the origin of the alien spacecrafts resting on the backside of the Moon: the cigar-shaped object and the two triangles? Is there any relationship among them? And can you give me once again – as you have already done in a private message - the lunar coordinates of the triangle objects, never revealed before?

moonwalker1966delta: The origin of the two objects the mothership and the alien base were the same. Same materials and same age. We think they have been shot down during a sort of "lunar Pearl Harbor". The base has been completely destroyed and the mothership and the 2 spacecraft shot down during and emergency take off. That is what William and Leonov thought too. As I previously answered in our private message the 2 objects are clearly visible in AS15-P-9625 and AS15-P-9630 in the upper side of the pic and just right of the mothership at coordinates 18.7S - 116.92E and 18.31S - 117.48E. You can notice they are absolutly identical in their triangular shape. If you use a software like NASA World Wind it could be easy to locate them and notice the green metallic brilliance of the first object.

12) L.S. Lunar coordinates of the presumed alien space mothership: Nose 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E; Cockpit 17.15 deg S, 117.62 deg E; Base 17.20 deg S, 117.62 deg E. Were they given us inverted? The longitude is coherent with the position of the huge object (approximately 4 km long). The problem is with the latitude: not with the latitude data, but with their reference to the major parts of the object (the nose and the base). We should have their reversal, in my opinion. What do you think?

moonwalker1966delta: We had to do the same footage and follow the same path. If you follow the path of the LM in the first part of the footage and compare it on a lunar map you will see that is coherent with the subtitles and the camera we had to use would have been a 16mm Maurer motion picture cameras with 10mm lenses with the Data Acquisition Camera Mount connected to the the window sliding rail through a knob. In the second part of the video the footage is provided by mounting a photolens of 75 mm with it's aperture aligned to the LM X axis + 1 degree and usually used to film the outdoor CM manouvers and alignments.In this second part of the footage the trajectory is not coherent to the previous trajectory nor to the subtitles. I think the second part has been inverted and the subtitles followed the inverted images providing the right coordinates but in the opposite sequence. The video must be seen reverted from the bottom to the cockpit and the subtitles indications must be reverted too leaving the coordinates data unchanged. That's my idea.

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AUGUST 2008, ANOTHER WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS OUT: "ANONYMOUS ATS"

Weeks ago I had an e-mail contact with Bill Ryan (Project Camelot) concerning the Apollo 20 case and William Rutledge's footage, especially the footage about the EBE "Mona Lisa" spread by "retiredafb" on revver.com.
B. Ryan told me that many people think the footage is a fake but - at the same time - he pointed out a very interesting topic on AboveTopSecret (ATS) forum, where last August an anonymous individual wrote something that I should have read it.
The title of the topic is “Apollo 20 update”, begun in April 2008. The remarkable intervention is the one posted at 09:50 PM on August 14, 2008, by “Anonymous ATS”.

source: petit gris http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347845/pg11



The whistleblower is - according to the written testimony - the son of a former NRO employee who years ago - before to die because of an "inoperable cancer" - revealed a secret which has always been a weight on his chest: to have participated, as member of a Mission control team, to « […] an ultra-black project in the mid-70's that sent another mission to the moon to investigate a particularly provacative anomaly ».
NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) is a very important intelligence agency, and "Anonymous ATS" is right when he says « [...] It was declassified in 1992... ».

Well, there are some details told by this whistleblower very close to the aspects of Rutledge's story: same year (1976) in which the black operation would have been occured, same location for the Mission Control (Vandenberg AFB) and same goal: investigating a lunar singularity, which in 1973 « [...] was confirmed>> as « [...] in fact a derelict spacecraft ».
There are also some inconsistencies: for example a different position from where to launch the spacecraft - not Vandenberg but an island in the Indian Ocean - and no signs of triangular objects and no extraterrestrial creatures recovered.
But the whistleblower told us also that « [...] My father said that the project was highly compartmentalized so he did not know the whole story ».



Here you have the main points made by "Anonymous ATS" about his father's story:

« [...]

  1. He did not mention anything about "Apollo 20" and never even gave a formal name. In addition, there were no markings on the rocket or spacecraft. This operation was entirely off the books. No one on the operation used their real names, that's how far it went.

  2. Mission Control was located at Vandenburg AFB. The actual launch was on the island of Diego Garcia. This island was located in the Indian Ocean along the equator with virtually nothing around it. This site was chosen because if launched to the East, the rocket would have nearly 12,000 miles of unbroken water to help cover the tracks. It was accepted people would see the launch wherever it was, this site would limit that.

  3. The project was initiated, by Nixon's orders, in late 1971. My father's work began on the project began in 1974. The actual mission took place in 1976. My father said that he underwent an intensive psychological exam before he was selected to join the program. He said he thought he was bought in mainly because he "could be trusted".

  4. The actual mission consisted of 3 American astronauts whose names he would not mention. He said that these men had been trained for nearly 4 years specifically for this mission. He also said that in 1973 it was confirmed the object was in fact a derelict spacecraft. He reviewed this pictures personally when selected for the project.

  5. The spacecraft was speculated to be roughly 1.5 million years old, although he was not allowed access to that exact information. The ship was badly decayed from meteor impacts and the ancient crash. The ship was cigar shaped, and massive, the section was roughly 1 mile. Evidence suggested it been explored before us. No alien remains were found. 300kg of artifacts were stripped and brought back. My father described what he called "strange hieroglyphs and markings" covering what was assumed to be the the "cockpit" of the craft.

  6. At least 2 other governments were involved with the project. My father said he worked with a British analyst and he knew of a smaller team in Australia but wasn't sure the Australian government were exactly aware of what our men were doing.


[...]
»


From: Apollo 20 update, Topic started on 9-4-2008 @ 09:33 AM by JohnnyRaincheckd
Reply posted on 14-8-2008 @ 09:50 PM by Anonymous ATS

source: petit gris http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347845/pg11
Thanks to AboveTopSecret (ATS)




About point nr. 3, as the matter of fact in May 1972 U.S. President Richard Nixon and the Soviet politican Kossygin - in spite of the Cold War times - signed in Moscow an important agreement on Space and technology: a five years agreement of cooperation among United States and Soviet Union: «Agreement Concerning Cooperation in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space for Peaceful Purposes.» That's why the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP) was possible.

But most important it is the fact that some of the details of this presumed and unknown piece of XX Century history, are coherent with some aspects told me by William Rutledge (the alleged Apollo 20 CDR) by YouTube messages, but aspects I have never revealed to the general public so far: I am doing now it on this Web page, showing the snapshots of our contacts as evidence.
For example the "Anonymous ATS" has written: « […] there were no markings on the rocket or spacecraft ».

On June 6, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge in which he told me that: « […] On the lift off sequence, the saturn 5 has no markings till the third stage. […] In vandenberg, the saturn V launch had to be not reconizable, no BW lines or USA marks on the rocket. Only the last ring was black painted, and it could look like an ordinary Delta rocket at 4 miles distance. ». From Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on June 6, 2007, 01:37 AM)


Moreover, "Anonymous ATS" has reported in his point nr.6 about at least two other Governments involved in the classified project: « At least 2 other governments were involved with the project. My father said he worked with a British analyst and he knew of a smaller team in Australia but wasn't sure the Australian government were exactly aware of what our men were doing. »
On May 23, 2007, 06:12 AM (at the beginning of our contacts) I received a YouTube message by William Rutledge where he wrote me that: « […] about nation involved 1 As far as i know, it’s USA and Russia, but i would not be surprised if france is on this program, MHD and anti matter is used in this country.>> From Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on May 23, 2007, 06:12 AM)


And at 09:26 am on July 15, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge where he wrote that: « […] I'd like to post the genuine sound but they are on separated tapes. Many people , radio amateur were tracking the apollo missions , so the sound was coded and was separated from video , secrecy was kept unless i think than French and British got the tv feeds (I'm not sure of this). » From Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on July 15, 2007, 09:26 AM)



In the snapshots here presented, the public will find more information told me by William Rutledge, not discussed by me in this report.


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MessageSujet: Re: MONA LISA EBE   Jeu 12 Mai 2011 - 11:05


Je viens de remarquer que, dans sa description de "Mona Lisa", l'un des deux êtres humanoïdes trouvés dans le vaisseau, William Rutledge dit qu'elle possède 6 doigts.
Or, selon Don Bradley, c'est l'un des signes distinctifs des Nephilim/reptiliens.
étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t449-les-reptodes-par-don-bradley (post du Dim 19 Déc 2010)
Je trouve ça troublant, comme coïncidence.
Aurions-nous affaire à une Annunaki ?


Bien sûr, elle n'a pas le visage d'un saurien, type lézard, mais je ne pense pas que tous les "reptiliens" aient un physique de saurien; les "grands blonds", par exemple, semblent avoir un physique tout à fait humain. Corrado Malanga parle de plusieurs groupes de prédateurs mammifèromorphes qui ont été vus par des abductés. Certains ont 6 doigts, d'autres 5, mais tous ont la pupille verticale.
étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t406-interferences-extraterrestres-corrado-malanga


Il existe manifestement une hièrarchie parmi ces êtres (cette fameuse "Hièrarchie" dont parle Alice Bailey, inspirée par "maître DK" et symbolisée par la pyramide avec l'oeil); les Gris semblent au service des Reptiliens type lézards, dont l'élite paraît être les Dracos. Il y a probablement d'autres créatures au-dessus. Celles-ci n'interviendraient pas directement avec les humains, d'autres groupes subalternes s'en chargeant, ce qui explique que les abductés n'en aient pas fait mention.


Il y a aussi certaines affirmations de William Rutledge qui évoquent le phénomène vampire.
Selon lui, elle ne serait ni morte, ni vivante, et il précise même, plus loin, qu'elle est à présent sur Terre et qu'elle n'est pas morte.
Elle était donc "en stase" ou en "animation supendue", en quelque sorte. Et, toujours selon lui, l'âge du vaisseau aurait été estimé à 1,5 milliards d'années !!! J'ignore comment une telle chose est possible, mais c'est justement l'énormité d'une telle affirmation qui me fait penser que cette histoire n'est pas une blague. Parce que, quand on souhaite tromper quelqu'un en espérant être crû, on évite de raconter des choses aussi incroyables.

Alors, comment cette humanoïde a-t-elle pu vivre aussi longtemps ?
Et c'est là que je vois un rapport avec le phénomène vampire:

« Disons-le tout de suite, le vampirisme existe, bien sûr, à tous les degrés imaginables, y compris celui qui ne cesse d'alimenter littérature et cinéma, à quelques détails près.
Je ne vais pas consacrer cette page à l'explication du phénomène, ce serait évidemment trop long. Cependant, je pense important d'aborder le sujet de la mort et de la non-mort ("nosferatu", terme qui, en vieux roumain, signifie à peu près "celui qui ne meurt jamais").
»

« Le tout est tout de même de réussir à atteindre le corps physique du vampire [pour pouvoir le détruire], ce qu'il ne laissera pas faire facilement on peut s'en douter. Il est en outre redoutablement bien gardé, en général, soit totalement inaccessible ou très bien caché. »

« ...les entités rebelles qui sont attachés au plan terrestre utilisent l'homme comme relais énergétique. Ils y sont contraints s'ils veulent continuer à survivre dans l'au-delà en dehors du temps qui leur est accordé entre la mort et une nouvelle naissance. »

« Depuis des millions d'années, il s'est organisé une vie parasitaire dans le monde invisible... »

« Ils s'appuient sur une hiérarchie très complexe s'étendant depuis des sphères invisibles très élevées - de notre point de vue - jusqu'aux étages les plus obscurs du bas astral, et même en-dessous du plan matériel, où il y a des dimensions encore plus denses. »

« Les Grecs disaient que " l'homme est le bétail des dieux ". »

étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t208-larves-et-vampires


Ce qui rejoint les propos de Duncan au sujets d'humanoïdes qui seraient également en stase sur Mars:

Duncan: Il y a une chose que nous partageons, quelques-uns d'entre nous, c'est une peur profonde de la planète Mars. Apportez-nous Mars et c'est juste comme regarder ces films. Il y a un truc au sujet de Mars qui change totalement notre attitude à ce moment là. Je connais une personne qui dit carrément qu'il vaut mieux laisser Mars seule.

Kerry: Ca veut dire...? Ne pas y aller ou ne pas en parler?

Duncan: Ne pas y aller parce qu'ils réveillent quelque chose.

Kerry: Sur Mars ?

Duncan: Hm, hm..

étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t485-annunakis-sur-la-lune-et-sur-mars



On ne sait pas si Mona Lisa fait partie de ces êtres dont parle Duncan, mais ça fait partie des probabilités.

Je me demande même s'il n'y en a pas également sur Terre:

« Le Mont Bugarach recèlerait en ses flancs une porte vibratoire vers les royaumes de la terre creuse et un héritage antédiluvien: celui des Atlantes. Il s'agit d'une nef abritant un personnage en léthargie baptisé: le Roi Nemrod. Dans cette vaste crypte seraient ensevelis - depuis 12 000 ans - les vestiges d'un passé oublié et la mémoire de l'humanité. »

« ...la base [militaire secrète] a été implantée à la verticale d'un vaisseau extra-terrestre venu se crasher il y a très longtemps sous le pic. Sa circonférence atteindrait plus de 300 mètres de diamètre... »

étoile 1 http://transition888.heavenforum.org/t373-le-pech-de-bugarach


Alors, Mona Lisa ferait-elle partie des anciens "dieux" Annunaki ?
Ceci expliquerait pourquoi les hybrides qui nous dirigent ont déployé autant de moyens pour aller la récupérer.


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MessageSujet: Re: MONA LISA EBE   Mar 25 Oct 2011 - 22:58

CONCLUSIONS DE VIEWZONE








Pour être honnête, nous avons pensé que c'était un canular jusqu'à ce qu'un des membres du notre personnel de viewzone ait décidé de se procurer les bandes du film sur le site de la NASA, ait remarqué qu'il y avait deux images de l'objet disponibles (prises sous des angles différents) et fait une image composite en 3D. Les résultats sont au bas de cette page. Bien que nous ne soyons pas sûrs des vidéos ni des images de l' "entité alien" (le corps féminin) qui l'accompagnent, nous sommes surpris que les images en 3D montrent un objet réel sur la surface de la Lune.

Si vous avez de vieilles lunettes 3D rouge-bleu, vous pouvez voir le vaisseau spatial assez clairement. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de doute que ce soit un vaisseau spatial - ça ou un sous-marin - mais nous allons laisser nos lecteurs en décider.

Bien que la vidéo et l'histoire puissent être une imposture, l'objet, qui a été photographié par Appollo 15, est manifestement réel. Ce n'est pas une décoloration de la surface, un artefact photographique ou un cratère éclairé bizarrement. La photographie en 3D montre clairement la forme et la position de cet objet très étrange.

Ci-dessous nous avons pris deux images publiées par la mission Appollo 15 et les avons fusionnées pour former une image 3-D. Pour voir cela clairement, vous aurez besoin d'une paire de lunettes 3D (rouge à gauche, bleu à droite). Qu'est-ce que c'est?







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